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From: Julian Brown <julian@codesourcery.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/5] ARM BE8/BE32 semihosting and gdbstub support.
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 23:34:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161103233419.26f4b7c7@squid.athome> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA_Z88S+mMRjMzJg+iOx6t4_hwEsEYVuYBWgk6JJL2UEhg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 3 Nov 2016 22:23:09 +0000
Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> wrote:

> On 3 November 2016 at 17:30, Julian Brown <julian@codesourcery.com>
> wrote:
> > This patch improves support for semihosting and debugging with the
> > in-built gdbstub for ARM system-mode emulation in big-endian mode
> > (either BE8 or BE32), after the fairly recent changes to allow a
> > single QEMU binary to deal with each of LE, BE8 and BE32 modes in
> > one. It's only currently good for little-endian host systems. The
> > relevant use case is using QEMU as a "bare metal" instruction-set
> > simulator, e.g. for toolchain testing.
> >
> > For semihosting, the softmmu-semi.h file is overridden with an
> > ARM-specific version that knows about byte-swapping target memory
> > into host order -- including that which has been byte-swapped at
> > load time for BE32 mode.  
> 
> Something here seems really weird. I would expect gdb
> to be able to cope with the target CPU's endianness
> settings. After all there is real world code which
> starts off in one endianness, temporarily swaps to
> the other and then switches back again, and gdb needs
> to be able to step through it without issues. So having
> code in the gdbstub interface that looks at arm_bswap_needed()
> seems rather odd and in the wrong place. What the guest
> CPU happens to be doing at any particular point shouldn't
> affect the way we talk to gdb.

I think the way it works is, if you invoke GDB with something like,

$ arm-eabi-gdb big-endian-binary.elf

then the remote protocol will talk in big-endian format (memory
read/write packets, register read/write packets, etc.) for that session.
I'm not sure if it'll transparently switch to little-endian remote
protocol format if the target does a SETEND instruction, or whatever.
I'd guess not.

So (IIRC!) the gdbstub needs to interpret some of these read/write
values on the host, i.e. in host byte ordering. "Traditionally", the
ldl_p and stl_p (etc.) macros would byteswap depending on the
TARGET_WORDS_BIGENDIAN setting -- that's how come our internal testing
using QEMU worked at all in the past. But that's changed with the
single-binary-for-all-endiannesses patches.

So -- all uses of ld*_p and st*_p, and the TARGET_WORDS_BIGENDIAN
macro, are now suspect in ARM system-emulation mode. The gdbstub.c
changes appear to fix some of those, but... yeah, there may be
subtleties remaining, like run-time endian switching by the target.
Generally it's not ideal, but I'm not sure how to do better.

Thanks,

Julian

  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-03 23:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-03 17:30 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/5] ARM BE8/BE32 big-endian system-mode fixes (semihosting, gdbstub) Julian Brown
2016-11-03 17:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/5] ARM BE8/BE32 semihosting and gdbstub support Julian Brown
2016-11-03 22:23   ` Peter Maydell
2016-11-03 23:34     ` Julian Brown [this message]
2016-11-04  8:48       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-04 10:25         ` Julian Brown
2016-11-04 11:01           ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-11-04  9:03     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-12-06 15:11     ` Julian Brown
2016-12-06 15:44       ` Peter Maydell
2016-12-06 15:51         ` Julian Brown
2016-12-06 16:14           ` Peter Maydell
2016-11-03 17:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/5] Fix Thumb-1 BE32 execution and disassembly Julian Brown
2016-11-04 13:30   ` Peter Maydell
2016-11-04 14:04     ` Julian Brown
2016-12-06 15:12       ` Julian Brown
2016-11-03 17:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/5] Fix arm_semi_flen_cb for BE32 system mode Julian Brown
2016-11-04  9:00   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-12-06 15:11     ` Julian Brown
2016-11-03 17:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/5] ARM BE32 watchpoint fix Julian Brown
2016-11-03 23:14   ` Peter Maydell
2016-11-03 23:20     ` Julian Brown
2016-11-04  8:55       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-12-06 15:12         ` Julian Brown
2016-11-03 21:26 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/5] Fix typo in arm_cpu_do_interrupt_aarch32 Julian Brown
2016-11-04 13:02   ` Peter Maydell
2016-11-03 21:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/5] ARM BE8/BE32 big-endian system-mode fixes (semihosting, gdbstub) no-reply
2016-11-03 21:37 ` no-reply

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