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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
Cc: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, armbru@redhat.com, qemu-block@nongnu.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -drive option is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:18:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170328171842.GE11725@noname.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bbc2671a-42dd-aa2a-0f03-6a4a487cb8f5@redhat.com>

Am 27.03.2017 um 10:06 hat Thomas Huth geschrieben:
> On 24.03.2017 23:10, John Snow wrote:
> > On 03/08/2017 03:26 AM, Thomas Huth wrote:
> >>
> >>  Hi everybody,
> >>
> >> what will be the next version of QEMU after 2.9? Will we go for a 2.10
> >> (as I've seen it mentioned a couple of times on the mailing list
> >> already), or do we dare to switch to 3.0 instead?
> >>
> >> I personally dislike two-digit minor version numbers like 2.10 since the
> >> non-experienced users sometimes mix it up with 2.1 ... and there have
> >> been a couple of new cool features in the past releases that would
> >> justify a 3.0 now, too, I think.
> >>
> >> But anyway, the more important thing that keeps me concerned is: Someone
> >>  once told me that we should get rid of old parameters and interfaces
> >> (like HMP commands) primarily only when we're changing to a new major
> >> version number. As you all know, QEMU has a lot of legacy options, which
> >> are likely rather confusing than helpful for the new users nowadays,
> >> e.g. things like the "-net channel" option (which is fortunately even
> >> hardly documented), but maybe also even the whole vlan/hub concept in
> >> the net code, or legacy parameters like "-usbdevice". If we switch to
> >> version 3.0, could we agree to remove at least some of them?
> >>
> >>  Thomas
> >>
> > 
> > As others have stated, we need a few releases to deprecate things first.
> > 
> > Maybe we should develop a serious plan to develop some of our legacy
> > interfaces first.
> > 
> > Maybe 2.10 can introduce a list of things we want to deprecate,
> > 2.11 can be the transition release,
> > and then 3.0 can cut the cord and free of us our terrible burden?
> > 
> > I have a list of things I want to axe...
> 
> I've started a Wiki page with such a list here:
> 
> http://wiki.qemu-project.org/Features/LegacyRemoval
> 
> Feel free to amend!

I propose deprecating -drive (in favour of -blockdev/-device) and added
it to the list.

Similar to -net, we still need to check that all block devices created
internally by individual machines can still be configured. As far as I
know, this is already true for the PC, not sure about other machines.

But maybe we really should treat that as a problem of qdev/QOM, which
should provide a mechanism to set options for automatically created
devices rather than relying on subsystem-specific ways (like -net or
-drive) to bypass the normal qdev configuration.

Kevin

      parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-28 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-08  8:26 [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Thomas Huth
2017-03-08 10:03 ` Peter Maydell
2017-03-08 11:22   ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-08 11:24     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-09 12:33       ` Markus Armbruster
2017-03-09  2:21     ` Jason Wang
2017-03-09  8:50       ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-09  9:53         ` Jason Wang
2017-03-09 10:20           ` Yongbok Kim
2017-03-10 11:07             ` Jason Wang
2017-03-10 11:22               ` Peter Maydell
2017-03-10 11:53                 ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-10 11:58                   ` Yongbok Kim
2018-04-24 19:45                     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2017-03-09 10:11         ` [Qemu-devel] external snapshots freezes block device since qemu 2.8 Piotr Rybicki
2017-03-09 12:26           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-04-05 22:18             ` John Snow
2017-04-06  9:25               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-10 14:49           ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-03-10 15:44             ` Piotr Rybicki
2017-03-08 10:20 ` [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-08 11:19   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-12 13:47     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-04-12 14:10       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-03-09 16:00 ` Kevin Wolf
2017-03-24 22:10 ` John Snow
2017-03-27  8:06   ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 12:01     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-03-27 12:49       ` Peter Maydell
2017-04-03 14:19         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-11 12:53           ` Markus Armbruster
2017-04-18  9:51             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-18 11:57               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-18 17:18                 ` John Snow
2017-04-19  5:53                   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-04-19 10:35                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-19 10:15                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-19 23:08                     ` John Snow
2017-04-20  5:40                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-20 11:10                         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2017-03-27 12:56       ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -net option (was: What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces)) Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 13:09         ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -net option Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 15:04           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-27 19:04     ` [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) John Snow
2017-03-27 19:46       ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:21       ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating old machine types Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:46         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-29 16:54           ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:58           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-29 21:42             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-30  8:04             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-03-28 17:18     ` Kevin Wolf [this message]

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