From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
Cc: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, armbru@redhat.com, qemu-block@nongnu.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -drive option is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:18:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170328171842.GE11725@noname.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bbc2671a-42dd-aa2a-0f03-6a4a487cb8f5@redhat.com>
Am 27.03.2017 um 10:06 hat Thomas Huth geschrieben:
> On 24.03.2017 23:10, John Snow wrote:
> > On 03/08/2017 03:26 AM, Thomas Huth wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi everybody,
> >>
> >> what will be the next version of QEMU after 2.9? Will we go for a 2.10
> >> (as I've seen it mentioned a couple of times on the mailing list
> >> already), or do we dare to switch to 3.0 instead?
> >>
> >> I personally dislike two-digit minor version numbers like 2.10 since the
> >> non-experienced users sometimes mix it up with 2.1 ... and there have
> >> been a couple of new cool features in the past releases that would
> >> justify a 3.0 now, too, I think.
> >>
> >> But anyway, the more important thing that keeps me concerned is: Someone
> >> once told me that we should get rid of old parameters and interfaces
> >> (like HMP commands) primarily only when we're changing to a new major
> >> version number. As you all know, QEMU has a lot of legacy options, which
> >> are likely rather confusing than helpful for the new users nowadays,
> >> e.g. things like the "-net channel" option (which is fortunately even
> >> hardly documented), but maybe also even the whole vlan/hub concept in
> >> the net code, or legacy parameters like "-usbdevice". If we switch to
> >> version 3.0, could we agree to remove at least some of them?
> >>
> >> Thomas
> >>
> >
> > As others have stated, we need a few releases to deprecate things first.
> >
> > Maybe we should develop a serious plan to develop some of our legacy
> > interfaces first.
> >
> > Maybe 2.10 can introduce a list of things we want to deprecate,
> > 2.11 can be the transition release,
> > and then 3.0 can cut the cord and free of us our terrible burden?
> >
> > I have a list of things I want to axe...
>
> I've started a Wiki page with such a list here:
>
> http://wiki.qemu-project.org/Features/LegacyRemoval
>
> Feel free to amend!
I propose deprecating -drive (in favour of -blockdev/-device) and added
it to the list.
Similar to -net, we still need to check that all block devices created
internally by individual machines can still be configured. As far as I
know, this is already true for the PC, not sure about other machines.
But maybe we really should treat that as a problem of qdev/QOM, which
should provide a mechanism to set options for automatically created
devices rather than relying on subsystem-specific ways (like -net or
-drive) to bypass the normal qdev configuration.
Kevin
prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-03-28 17:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-03-08 8:26 [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Thomas Huth
2017-03-08 10:03 ` Peter Maydell
2017-03-08 11:22 ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-08 11:24 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-09 12:33 ` Markus Armbruster
2017-03-09 2:21 ` Jason Wang
2017-03-09 8:50 ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-09 9:53 ` Jason Wang
2017-03-09 10:20 ` Yongbok Kim
2017-03-10 11:07 ` Jason Wang
2017-03-10 11:22 ` Peter Maydell
2017-03-10 11:53 ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-10 11:58 ` Yongbok Kim
2018-04-24 19:45 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2017-03-09 10:11 ` [Qemu-devel] external snapshots freezes block device since qemu 2.8 Piotr Rybicki
2017-03-09 12:26 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-04-05 22:18 ` John Snow
2017-04-06 9:25 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-10 14:49 ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-03-10 15:44 ` Piotr Rybicki
2017-03-08 10:20 ` [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-08 11:19 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-12 13:47 ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-04-12 14:10 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-03-09 16:00 ` Kevin Wolf
2017-03-24 22:10 ` John Snow
2017-03-27 8:06 ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 12:01 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-03-27 12:49 ` Peter Maydell
2017-04-03 14:19 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-11 12:53 ` Markus Armbruster
2017-04-18 9:51 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-18 11:57 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-18 17:18 ` John Snow
2017-04-19 5:53 ` Markus Armbruster
2017-04-19 10:35 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-19 10:15 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-19 23:08 ` John Snow
2017-04-20 5:40 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-20 11:10 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2017-03-27 12:56 ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -net option (was: What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces)) Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 13:09 ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -net option Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 15:04 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-27 19:04 ` [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) John Snow
2017-03-27 19:46 ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:21 ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating old machine types Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:46 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-29 16:54 ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-29 21:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-30 8:04 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-03-28 17:18 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
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