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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Deprecating old machine types
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 00:42:37 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170330003914-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0eebf55d-aeb9-5426-001d-175b0cbfc60c@redhat.com>

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 06:58:36PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> 
> 
> On 29/03/2017 18:46, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> >> By the way, what about old machine types like "pc-0.10" ? Do we want to
> >> carry them along forever (e.g. since it is not too complicated to
> >> maintain?), or shall we get rid of those one day (e.g. with QEMU 3.0), too?
> > It seems reasonable to slowly deprecate them.
> > I'm just not sure how slowly.
> 
> Some data:
> 
> - dropping 0.12, 0.13 _and_ isapc would let us kill the code for
> rombar=0 (i.e. where QEMU copies ROM BARs directly to low memory).
> 
> - the oldest versions in use are probably 0.12 (CentOS 6) and 1.0
> (Ubuntu 12.04)
> 
> - migration from old versions is broken in various ways from at least
> QEMU 1.2 and older.
> 
> Paolo

Live-migration, yes.

But live-migrations are a minority, most people update qemu and restart
it but do not want to reinstall their guests and that is only reliable
if you keep the old machine type.

And that seems to work reasonably well. So one way would be to
mark 0.10 and 0.11 unmigrateable, and drop rombar=0 hacks.

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-29 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-08  8:26 [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Thomas Huth
2017-03-08 10:03 ` Peter Maydell
2017-03-08 11:22   ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-08 11:24     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-09 12:33       ` Markus Armbruster
2017-03-09  2:21     ` Jason Wang
2017-03-09  8:50       ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-09  9:53         ` Jason Wang
2017-03-09 10:20           ` Yongbok Kim
2017-03-10 11:07             ` Jason Wang
2017-03-10 11:22               ` Peter Maydell
2017-03-10 11:53                 ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-10 11:58                   ` Yongbok Kim
2018-04-24 19:45                     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2017-03-09 10:11         ` [Qemu-devel] external snapshots freezes block device since qemu 2.8 Piotr Rybicki
2017-03-09 12:26           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-04-05 22:18             ` John Snow
2017-04-06  9:25               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-10 14:49           ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-03-10 15:44             ` Piotr Rybicki
2017-03-08 10:20 ` [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-08 11:19   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-12 13:47     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-04-12 14:10       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-03-09 16:00 ` Kevin Wolf
2017-03-24 22:10 ` John Snow
2017-03-27  8:06   ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 12:01     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-03-27 12:49       ` Peter Maydell
2017-04-03 14:19         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-11 12:53           ` Markus Armbruster
2017-04-18  9:51             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-18 11:57               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-18 17:18                 ` John Snow
2017-04-19  5:53                   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-04-19 10:35                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-19 10:15                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-19 23:08                     ` John Snow
2017-04-20  5:40                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-20 11:10                         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2017-03-27 12:56       ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -net option (was: What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces)) Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 13:09         ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -net option Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 15:04           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-27 19:04     ` [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) John Snow
2017-03-27 19:46       ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:21       ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating old machine types Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:46         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-29 16:54           ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:58           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-29 21:42             ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2017-03-30  8:04             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-03-28 17:18     ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -drive option is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Kevin Wolf

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