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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
Cc: Ciprian Barbu <Ciprian.Barbu@enea.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	pkrempa@redhat.com,
	Alexandru Avadanii <Alexandru.Avadanii@enea.com>,
	Jeff Cody <jcody@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	svc-armband <armband@enea.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] nbd: Possible regression in 2.9 RCs
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 15:00:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170403130041.GD5036@noname.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33ced3d3-acd7-2945-518d-465a4621b151@redhat.com>

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Am 03.04.2017 um 14:39 hat Max Reitz geschrieben:
> On 03.04.2017 10:15, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > Am 31.03.2017 um 19:43 hat Max Reitz geschrieben:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> So in theory all that's necessary is to set share-rw=on for the device
> >> in the management layer. But I'm not sure whether that's practical.
> > 
> > Yes, libvirt needs to provide this option if the guest supports sharing.
> > If it doesn't support sharing, rejecting a read-write NBD client seems
> > correct to me.
> > 
> > Peter, Eric, what is the status on the libvirt side here?
> > 
> >> As for just allowing the NBD server write access to the device... To me
> >> that appears pretty difficult from an implementation perspective. We
> >> assert that nobody can write without having requested write access and
> >> we make sure that nobody can request write access without it being
> >> allowed. Making an exception for NBD seems very difficult and would
> >> probably mean we'd have to drop the assertion for write accesses altogether.
> > 
> > Making an exception would simply be wrong.
> 
> Indeed. That is why it would be so difficult.
> 
> The question remains whether it is practical not to make an exception.
> As far as I know, libvirt is only guaranteed to support older qemu
> versions, not necessarily future ones. So we should be allowed to break
> existing use cases here until libvirt is updated (assuming it is
> possible for libvirt to express "guest device allows shared writes" as
> an option for its next release).

If I understand correctly, this is a case of incoming live migration,
i.e. the virtio-blk device which is blocking the writes to the image
doesn't really belong to a running guest yet.

So if we need to make an exception (and actually reading the context
makes it appear so), I guess it would have to be that devices actually
can share the write permission during incoming migration, but not any
more later (unless the share-rw flag is set).

Kevin

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-03 13:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-31 16:03 [Qemu-devel] nbd: Possible regression in 2.9 RCs Ciprian Barbu
2017-03-31 17:32 ` Ciprian Barbu
2017-03-31 17:36   ` Ciprian Barbu
2017-03-31 17:43 ` Max Reitz
2017-03-31 17:49   ` Ciprian Barbu
2017-03-31 17:57     ` Max Reitz
2017-03-31 19:07       ` Alexandru Avadanii
2017-04-03 18:52     ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-04-04  8:07       ` ciprian.barbu
2017-04-03  8:15   ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-03 12:39     ` Max Reitz
2017-04-03 13:00       ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2017-04-03 13:50         ` Peter Krempa
2017-04-04 12:16           ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-04 13:51             ` Eric Blake
2017-04-04 14:04             ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-04-04 14:53               ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-04 15:09                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-04-05 11:01                   ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-05 21:13                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-04-06  8:48                       ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-06  9:03                         ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-03 19:48         ` Eric Blake
2017-04-03 19:44       ` Eric Blake
2017-04-04  8:17         ` ciprian.barbu
2017-04-04 11:00           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-04-04 11:14             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-04-03 12:51     ` Peter Krempa
2017-04-04 13:19       ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-04 13:27         ` Peter Krempa
2017-04-04 13:54           ` Kevin Wolf

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