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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
Cc: Kashyap Chamarthy <kchamart@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] Making QMP 'block-job-cancel' transactionable
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:05:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170411120504.GJ4516@noname.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0e1c78f3-1b82-58e4-035e-944484e66f29@redhat.com>

Am 03.04.2017 um 22:29 hat John Snow geschrieben:
> On 03/24/2017 08:34 AM, Kashyap Chamarthy wrote:
> > While debugging some other issue, I happened to stumble across an old
> > libvirt commit[*] that adds support for pivot (whether QEMU should
> > switch to a target copy or not) operation as a result of issuing QMP
> > 'block-job-cancel' to a 'drive-mirror' (in libvirt parlance, "block
> > copy").
> > 
> > In the libvirt commit message[*] Eric Blake writes:
> > 
> >     "[...] There may be potential improvements to the snapshot code to
> >     exploit block copy over multiple disks all at one point in time.
> >     And, if 'block-job-cancel' were made part of 'transaction', you
> >     could copy multiple disks at the same point in time without pausing
> >     the domain. [...]"
> > 
> 
> Oh, you want a transactional cancel to basically capitalize on the
> second completion mode of the mirror job.
> 
> I have never really cared for the way this job works, because I don't
> think "canceling" a ready job is semantically valid (it's not canceled!
> We completed successfully, just using a different completion mode) --
> but if I am in the minority here I would cede that a transactional
> cancel would be a worthwhile thing to have.

Note that job completion/cancellation aren't synchronous QMP commands.
The job works something like this, where '...' means that the VM can run
and submit new writes etc.:

1. Start job: mirror_start
...
2. Bulk has completed: BLOCK_JOB_READY event
...
3. Request completion/cancellation: block-job-completet/cancel
...
4. Actual completion/cancellation: BLOCK_JOB_COMPLETED

The last one is the actual job completion that we want to be atomic for
a group of nodes. Just making step 3 atomic (which is what including
block-job-complete/cancel in transaction would mean) doesn't really buy
us anything because the data will still change between step 3 and 4.

Now step 4 is reached for each job individually, and unless you stop the
VM (or at least the processing of I/O requests), I don't see how you
could reach it at the same time for all jobs.

Kevin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-04-11 12:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-24 12:34 [Qemu-devel] Making QMP 'block-job-cancel' transactionable Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-03-28 14:49 ` Eric Blake
2017-03-28 15:29   ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-04-03 14:38     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-03 20:29 ` John Snow
2017-04-03 20:38   ` Eric Blake
2017-04-04 13:28     ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-04-04 13:54       ` Eric Blake
2017-04-11  9:42         ` Markus Armbruster
2017-04-11 10:30           ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-04-11 12:05   ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2017-04-11 13:14     ` Eric Blake
2017-04-11 13:30       ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-12  8:42         ` Fam Zheng
2017-04-12  8:59           ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-12  9:12             ` Fam Zheng

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