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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
Cc: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>, Alberto Garcia <berto@igalia.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Proposed qcow2 extension: subcluster allocation
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:29:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170411152922.GP4516@noname.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <760cb82c-9bff-c289-c2b3-940319c66b5c@redhat.com>

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Am 11.04.2017 um 17:18 hat Max Reitz geschrieben:
> On 11.04.2017 17:08, Eric Blake wrote:
> > On 04/11/2017 09:59 AM, Max Reitz wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> Good point, but that also means that (with (2)) you can only use
> >> subcluster configurations where the L2 entry size increases by a power
> >> of two. Unfortunately, only one of those configurations itself is a
> >> power of two, and that is 32.
> >>
> >> (With 32 subclusters, you take up 64 bits, which means an L2 entry will
> >> take 128 bits; with any higher 2^n, you'd take up 2^{n+1} bits and the
> >> L2 entry would take 2^{n+1} + 64 which is impossible to be a power of two.)
> > 
> > Or we add padding. If you want 64 subclusters, you burn 256 bits per> entry, even though only 192 of those bits are used.
> 
> Hm, yeah, although you have to keep in mind that the padding is almost
> pretty much the same as the the data bits we need, effectively doubling
> the size of the L2 tables:
> 
> padding = 2^{n+2} - 2^{n+1} - 64 (=2^6)
>         = 2^{n+1} - 64
> 
> So that's not so nice, but if it's the only thing we can do...
> 
> >> I don't know how useful non-power-of-two subcluster configurations are.
> >> Probably not at all.
> >>
> >> Since using subcluster would always result in the L2 table taking more
> >> than 512 bytes, you could therefore never guarantee that there is no
> >> entry overlapping a sector border (except with 32 subclusters).
> > 
> > Yes, there's definite benefits to keeping whatever structure we end up
> > with aligned so that it naturally falls into sector boundaries, even if
> > it means more padding bits.
> 
> Then again, I'm not even sure we really need atomicity for L2 entries +
> subcluster bits. I don't think you'd ever have to modify both at the
> same time (if you just say the subclusters are all unallocated when
> allocating the cluster itself, and then you write which subclusters are
> actually allocated afterwards)).
> 
> (This also applies to your remark on caching, I think.)
> 
> Atomicity certainly makes things easier, though.

Unless you want to deal with ordering (i.e. on cluster allocation, first
update the subcluster bitmap, then flush, then add the L2 entry), I
think you need atomicity.

Kevin

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-11 15:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-06 15:01 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Proposed qcow2 extension: subcluster allocation Alberto Garcia
2017-04-06 16:40 ` Eric Blake
2017-04-07  8:49   ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-07 12:41   ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-07 14:24     ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-21 21:09   ` [Qemu-devel] proposed qcow2 extension: cluster reservations [was: " Eric Blake
2017-04-22 17:56     ` Max Reitz
2017-04-24 11:45       ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-24 12:46       ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-07 12:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-07 12:24   ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-07 13:01   ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-10 15:32     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-07 17:10 ` Max Reitz
2017-04-10  8:42   ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-10 15:03     ` Max Reitz
2017-04-11 12:56   ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-11 14:04     ` Max Reitz
2017-04-11 14:31       ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-11 14:45         ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Eric Blake
2017-04-12 12:41           ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-12 14:10             ` Max Reitz
2017-04-13  8:05               ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-13  9:02                 ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-13  9:05                   ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-11 14:49         ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2017-04-11 14:58           ` Eric Blake
2017-04-11 14:59           ` Max Reitz
2017-04-11 15:08             ` Eric Blake
2017-04-11 15:18               ` Max Reitz
2017-04-11 15:29                 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2017-04-11 15:29                   ` Max Reitz
2017-04-11 15:30                 ` Eric Blake
2017-04-11 15:34                   ` Max Reitz
2017-04-12 12:47           ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-12 16:54 ` Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-13 11:58   ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-13 12:44     ` Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-13 13:05       ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-13 13:09         ` Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-13 13:36           ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-13 14:06             ` Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-13 13:21       ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-13 13:30         ` Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-13 13:59           ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-13 15:04           ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-13 15:17             ` Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-18 11:52               ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-18 17:27                 ` Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-13 13:51         ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-13 14:15           ` Alberto Garcia
2017-04-13 14:27             ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-13 16:42               ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Roman Kagan
2017-04-13 14:42           ` [Qemu-devel] " Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-12 17:55 ` Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-12 18:20   ` Eric Blake
2017-04-12 19:02     ` Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-13  9:44       ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-13 10:19         ` Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-14  1:06           ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " John Snow
2017-04-14  4:17             ` Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-18 11:22               ` Kevin Wolf
2017-04-18 17:30                 ` Denis V. Lunev
2017-04-14  7:40             ` Roman Kagan

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