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From: Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 30/30] target/s390x: update maximum TCG model to z800
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 16:04:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170602140429.elahcu5olntw7ypi@aurel32.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <207db011-5035-acb3-2032-8408b4ec38e6@redhat.com>

On 2017-06-02 13:30, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 02.06.2017 10:09, Thomas Huth wrote:
> > On 01.06.2017 21:17, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> >> On 2017-06-01 11:04, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >>> On 01.06.2017 10:38, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >>>> On 01.06.2017 00:01, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> >>>>> At the same time fix the TCG version of get_max_cpu_model to return the
> >>>>> maximum model like on KVM. Remove the ETF2 and long-displacement
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't understand the part
> >>>> "fix the TCG version of get_max_cpu_model to return the maximum model
> >>>> like on KVM".
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you elaborate?
> >>>>
> >>>>> facilities from the additional features as it is included in the z800.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Signed-off-by: Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>>  target/s390x/cpu_models.c | 13 ++++++-------
> >>>>>  1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> diff --git a/target/s390x/cpu_models.c b/target/s390x/cpu_models.c
> >>>>> index fc3cb25cc3..c13bbd852c 100644
> >>>>> --- a/target/s390x/cpu_models.c
> >>>>> +++ b/target/s390x/cpu_models.c
> >>>>> @@ -668,8 +668,6 @@ static void add_qemu_cpu_model_features(S390FeatBitmap fbm)
> >>>>>      static const int feats[] = {
> >>>>>          S390_FEAT_STFLE,
> >>>>>          S390_FEAT_EXTENDED_IMMEDIATE,
> >>>>> -        S390_FEAT_EXTENDED_TRANSLATION_2,
> >>>>> -        S390_FEAT_LONG_DISPLACEMENT,
> >>>>>          S390_FEAT_LONG_DISPLACEMENT_FAST,
> >>>>>          S390_FEAT_ETF2_ENH,
> >>>>>          S390_FEAT_STORE_CLOCK_FAST,
> >>>>> @@ -696,9 +694,9 @@ static S390CPUModel *get_max_cpu_model(Error **errp)
> >>>>>      if (kvm_enabled()) {
> >>>>>          kvm_s390_get_host_cpu_model(&max_model, errp);
> >>>>>      } else {
> >>>>> -        /* TCG emulates a z900 (with some optional additional features) */
> >>>>> -        max_model.def = &s390_cpu_defs[0];
> >>>>> -        bitmap_copy(max_model.features, max_model.def->default_feat,
> >>>>> +        /* TCG emulates a z800 (with some optional additional features) */
> >>>>> +        max_model.def = s390_find_cpu_def(0x2066, 7, 3, NULL);
> >>>>> +        bitmap_copy(max_model.features, max_model.def->full_feat,
> >>>>>                      S390_FEAT_MAX);
> >>>
> >>> This is most likely wrong: you're indicating features here that are not
> >>> available on tcg. esp. S390_FEAT_SIE_F2 and friends.
> >>>
> >>> I think should only copy the base features and add whatever else is
> >>> available via add_qemu_cpu_model_features() as already done.
> >>
> >> The patch series added all the z800 features exposed via STFL/STFLE.
> >> Indeed the SIE features are missing, but anyway QEMU doesn't emulate SIE
> >> at all so the lack of these features are not exposed to the guest. In that
> >> regard QEMU already wrongly claim to emulate a z900.
> 
> Please note that:
> 
> a) SIE features were never part of the max model. QEMU never claimed
> that. With your change one could suddenly do a -cpu z900,sie_f2=on,
> which is wrong.
> 
> b) The SIE_F2 feature tells the guest that the SIE instruction is
> available. E.g. Linux will look at this bit and show SIE support in
> /proc/cpuinfo and unlock the KVM module.

I understand your point. That said I doubt we will support the SIE
instruction soon (it looks quite complicated and I can't find any doc).
As we are going to emulate more facilities to QEMU, it will be more and
more difficult to select a modern CPU. One will have to use -cpu,z900,
etf2=on,ldisp=on,...,eimm=on. I think we have to provide users with an
easier way to do that.

One possibility would be to filter the features that are not emulated by
QEMU (like on the ppc64 target) or to allow the user to specify a higher
model provided the non emulated features are disabled. Something like
-cpu z800,sie_f2=off.

> Please, just don't add features to the MAX model that we don't implement.

Please note that QEMU does not fully implement S390_FEAT_ESAN3 (though
that is addressed in this patchset) and S390_FEAT_ZARCH, despite
claiming it.

> >>>>>          add_qemu_cpu_model_features(max_model.features);
> >>>>>      }
> >>>>> @@ -956,8 +954,9 @@ static void s390_qemu_cpu_model_initfn(Object *obj)
> >>>>>      S390CPU *cpu = S390_CPU(obj);
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>      cpu->model = g_malloc0(sizeof(*cpu->model));
> >>>>> -    /* TCG emulates a z900 (with some optional additional features) */
> >>>>> -    memcpy(&s390_qemu_cpu_defs, &s390_cpu_defs[0], sizeof(s390_qemu_cpu_defs));
> >>>>> +    /* TCG emulates a z800 (with some optional additional features) */
> >>>>> +    memcpy(&s390_qemu_cpu_defs, s390_find_cpu_def(0x2066, 7, 3, NULL),
> >>>>> +           sizeof(s390_qemu_cpu_defs));
> >>>>
> >>>> No changing the qemu model without compatibility handling.
> >>>>
> >>> Please have a look at the following mail for a possible solution:
> >>>
> >>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2017-05/msg06030.html
> >>>
> >>> This could be moved to a separate patch. So this patch really should
> >>> just care about the maximum model, not the qemu model.
> >>
> >> From what I understand from this thread, the patch from Thomas Huth was
> >> finally considered acceptable. I am adding him in Cc: so that he can
> >> comment.
> > 
> > In the 2nd version of my patch, I only changed the full_feat of the
> > model definitions, but not the base_feat and default_feat fields, so
> > that the CPU stays the same when you run QEMU without "-cpu" parameter
> > (or simply with "-cpu qemu").
> > 
> > Consider that the following scenario should work: Start a QEMU v2.10
> > with "-M s390-ccw-virtio-2.9" and a QEMU v2.9 with "-M
> > s390-ccw-virtio-2.9 -incoming ...". Then it should be possible to
> > migrate from the v2.10 to the v2.9 instance without problems. This won't
> > work anymore if you changed the default feature bits unconditionally.
> > 
> >  Thomas
> > 
> 
> The following can be used to make sure the model does not change:
> 
> s390x-softmmu/qemu-system-s390x -S -qmp stdio
> 
> -> { "execute": "qmp_capabilities" }
> -> { "execute": "query-cpu-model-expansion", "arguments": { "type":
> "static", "model": { "name": "qemu" } } }
> 
> With existing compat machines, this has to give
> -> "{"return": {"model": {"name": "z900-base"}}}"

Thanks for the hint.
 
> Also, is there any specific reason why to go for a z800 and not a z900.3
> ? (IBM zSeries 900 GA3).
> 
> z900 GA3 is the EC model, z800 GA1 is the BC model. Both have same
> features and capabilities. EC always smells more powerful ;) In the end
> it doesn't matter.

No real reason. It is further in the list, so it looks better to me.

Aurelien

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Aurelien Jarno                          GPG: 4096R/1DDD8C9B
aurelien@aurel32.net                 http://www.aurel32.net

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-02 14:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-31 22:00 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 00/30] target/s390x: fix, improve and implement some more instructions Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 01/30] target/s390x: remove dead code in translate.c Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 02/30] target/s390x: remove some Linux assumptions from IPTE Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 03/30] target/s390x: implement local-TLB-clearing in IPTE Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 04/30] target/s390x: implement TEST AND SET Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 05/30] target/s390x: implement TEST ADDRESSING MODE Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 06/30] target/s390x: implement PACK Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 07/30] target/s390x: implement LOAD PAIR FROM QUADWORD Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 08/30] target/s390x: implement STORE PAIR TO QUADWORD Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 09/30] target/s390x: implement COMPARE AND SIGNAL Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 10/30] target/s390x: implement MOVE INVERSE Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 11/30] target/s390x: implement MOVE NUMERICS Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 12/30] target/s390x: implement MOVE WITH OFFSET Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 13/30] target/s390x: implement MOVE ZONES Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 14/30] target/s390x: improve 24-bit and 31-bit addresses read Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 15/30] target/s390x: improve 24-bit and 31-bit addresses write Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 16/30] target/s390x: improve 24-bit and 31-bit lengths read/write Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 17/30] target/s390x: fix COMPARE LOGICAL LONG EXTENDED Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 18/30] target/s390x: implement COMPARE LOGICAL LONG Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 19/30] target/s390x: fix adj_len_to_page Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 20/30] target/s390x: improve MOVE LONG and MOVE LONG EXTENDED Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 21/30] target/s390x: implement COMPARE LOGICAL LONG UNICODE Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 22/30] target/s390x: implement MOVE " Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 23/30] target/s390x: implement PACK ASCII Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 24/30] target/s390x: implement PACK UNICODE Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 25/30] target/s390x: implement UNPACK ASCII Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 26/30] target/s390x: implement UNPACK UNICODE Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 27/30] target/s390x: implement TEST DECIMAL Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 28/30] target/s390x: implement TRANSLATE ONE/TWO TO ONE/TWO Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 29/30] target/s390x: mark ETF2 and ETF2-ENH facilities as available Aurelien Jarno
2017-05-31 22:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 30/30] target/s390x: update maximum TCG model to z800 Aurelien Jarno
2017-06-01  8:38   ` David Hildenbrand
2017-06-01  9:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2017-06-01 19:17       ` Aurelien Jarno
2017-06-02  8:09         ` Thomas Huth
2017-06-02 11:30           ` David Hildenbrand
2017-06-02 14:04             ` Aurelien Jarno [this message]
2017-06-02 14:27               ` David Hildenbrand
2017-06-02 14:34               ` Thomas Huth
2017-06-02 14:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2017-06-01 19:17     ` Aurelien Jarno
2017-06-01 19:56       ` David Hildenbrand
2017-06-02 13:40         ` Aurelien Jarno

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