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From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 00/15] Error API: Flag errors in *errp even if errors are being ignored
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 10:47:58 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170703134758.GG12152@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87shidk64r.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 03:21:56PM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 01:40:58PM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> > [...]
> >> 
> >> I doubt the macros make the bug fixing materially easier, and I doubt
> >> they can reduce future bugs of this kind.  What they can do is letting
> >> us get rid of error_propagate() boilerplate with relative ease.
> >> 
> >> If we switch to returning success/failure (which also gets rid of the
> >> boilerplate), then the macros may still let us get rid of boilerplate
> >> more quickly, for some additional churn.  Worthwhile?  Depends on how
> >> long the return value change takes us.
> >> 
> >> I think the first order of business is to figure out whether we want to
> >> pursue returning success/failure.
> >
> > About this, I'm unsure.  Returning error information in two separate
> > locations (the return value and *errp) makes it easier to introduce bugs
> > that are hard to detect.
> 
> I sympathize with this argument.  It's exactly what that made us avoid
> returning a success/failure indication.
> 
> Except when we don't actually avoid it:
> 
> * Functions returning a pointer typically return non-null on success,
>   null on failure.  Has inconsistency between return value and Error
>   setting been a problem in practice?  Nope.
> 
> * Quite a few functions return 0 on success, -errno on failure, to let
>   callers handle different errors differently.  Has inconsistency been a
>   problem in practice?  Nope again.
> 
>   Aside: the original Error plan was to have callers check ErrorClass,
>   but that didn't work out.
> 
> * Functions with a side effect typically either do their side effect and
>   succeed, or do nothing and fail.  Inconsistency between side effect
>   and claimed success is theoretically possible no matter how success is
>   claimed: it's possible if the function returns success/failure, it's
>   possible if it sets an Error on failure and doesn't on success, and
>   it's possible if it does both.
> 
> My point is: returning void instead of success/failure gets rid only of
> a part of a theoretical problem, which turns out not much of a problem
> in practice.
> 

You are probably right.  And I guess we will find out quickly if this is
not the case and the conversion to bool starts introducing more complex
or buggy code.


> >                           Especially when the tree is an inconsistent
> > state where we mix -1/0, -errno/0, FALSE/TRUE, NULL/non-NULL and void
> > functions.
> 
> This is basically ret<0/ret>=0, !ret/ret, void.
> 
> Getting rid of void would improve matters, wouldn't it?

Yes.

-- 
Eduardo

  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-03 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-13 16:52 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 00/15] Error API: Flag errors in *errp even if errors are being ignored Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 01/15] tests: Test cases for error API Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 02/15] error: New IGNORE_ERRORS macro Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 03/15] Add qapi/error.h includes on files that will need it Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 04/15] [coccinelle] Use IGNORE_ERRORS instead of NULL as errp argument Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 05/15] qapi: Use IGNORE_ERRORS instead of NULL on generated code Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 06/15] test-qapi-util: Use IGNORE_ERRORS instead of NULL Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 07/15] Manual changes to use " Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 08/15] error: New ERR_IS_* macros for checking Error** values Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 09/15] [coccinelle] Use ERR_IS_* macros Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 10/15] test-qapi-util: " Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 11/15] Manual changes to use " Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 12/15] error: Make IGNORED_ERRORS not a NULL pointer Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 13/15] rdma: Simplify var declaration to avoid confusing Coccinelle Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 14/15] [coccinelle] Eliminate unnecessary local_err/error_propagate() usage Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-13 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 15/15] [test only] Use 'Error *err[static 1]' instead of 'Error **errp' to catch NULL errp arguments Eduardo Habkost
     [not found]   ` <20170615121407.GA2399@work-vm>
2017-06-17 19:33     ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-19  8:48       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-06-19  9:43         ` Peter Maydell
2017-06-19 13:26           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-27 20:12             ` Eric Blake
2017-06-27 21:31               ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-27 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 00/15] Error API: Flag errors in *errp even if errors are being ignored Eric Blake
2017-06-28  9:05 ` Markus Armbruster
2017-06-28 17:41   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-29  6:54     ` Markus Armbruster
2017-06-29 12:57       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-30 11:40         ` Markus Armbruster
2017-07-01 14:20           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-07-03 12:51             ` Markus Armbruster
2017-07-01 14:29           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-07-03 13:21             ` Markus Armbruster
2017-07-03 13:47               ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]
2017-06-29 14:01     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-06-29 13:39   ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-06-29 14:18     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-06-29 17:09       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-29 17:38         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-06-29 17:47           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-06-29 18:04             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-06-29 14:14   ` Daniel P. Berrange

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