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From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: "Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	"Emilio G. Cota" <cota@braap.org>,
	"Lluís Vilanova" <vilanova@ac.upc.edu>,
	"QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] instrument: Add basic event instrumentation
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:45:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170727154535.GY2555@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA-eH7J+fFXYgFo6Wx58zgD8=kqhrGE5BqR+NrhHjipsFw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 04:33:01PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 27 July 2017 at 16:21, Daniel P. Berrange <berrange@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 11:54:29AM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
> >> That said, yes, I was going to ask if we could do this via
> >> leveraging the tracepoint infrastructure and whatever scripting
> >> facilities it provides. Are there any good worked examples of
> >> this sort of thing? Can you do it as an ordinary non-root user?
> >
> > Do you have a particular thing you'd like to see an example of ?
> >
> > To dynamically probe a function which doesn't have a tracepoint
> > defined you can do:
> >
> > probe process("/usr/bin/qemu-x86_64").function("helper_syscall") {
> >   printf("syscall stasrt\n")
> > }
> >
> > but getting access to the function args is not as easy as with
> > pre-defined tracepoints.
> 
> How do I go about actually running that script? What I
> have in mind by "worked example" is something like a blog
> post that says "ok, here's a problem, we want to find out
> what QEMU is doing in situation X, here's how you do this
> with $TRACING_THINGY" and generally steps you through how
> it works assuming you know nothing at all about whatever
> the tracing facility you're using is.

Ok, so something like this example that I wrote for libvirt a
while back then

  https://www.berrange.com/posts/2011/11/30/watching-the-libvirt-rpc-protocol-using-systemtap/


> > You can't typically run this as root,
> 
> Do you mean "non-root" ?

Sigh, yes, of course.

> > however, I don't think that's a
> > huge issue, because most QEMU deployments are not running as your own
> > user account anyway, so you can't directly interact with them no
> > matter what.
> 
> It is important, because almost all uses of TCG QEMU are
> running it from the command line as non-root normal users,
> especially if they're trying to debug what's going on with a
> guest binary. So any tracing solution for this kind of usecase
> must work without requiring root access, I think.

None of the Linux integrated tracing tools allow direct non-root access
afaik. systemtap has ability to launch probes as non-root, via a privileged
daemon, but it is restricted to probe scripts that the administrator has
pre-defined.

That pretty much leaves re-building QEMU, LD_PRELOADS, or something
ptrace(), or qemu's built-in simpletrace feature, as the remaining
options.  We have a scripts/simpletrace.py that lets you load a
trace file into python and process it, but as written that's aimed
as post-processing a tracefile you've previously collected.

It would be desirable to write a more advanced simpletrace python
module that could collect & process the trace data live, and also
interact with the qemu monitor to change what events are enabled
dynamically.  Basically we'd need a way for the simpletrace backend
to output its data to a fifo, instead of creating an file on disk,
then you could dynanically consume it.


Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-27 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-24 17:02 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] instrument: Add basic event instrumentation Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/13] instrument: Add documentation Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/13] instrument: [none] Add null instrumentation mode Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/13] instrument: [dynamic] Add dynamic " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/13] instrument: Allow adding the "instrument" property without modifying event files Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] instrument: [dynamic] Add default public per-event functions Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:26 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13] instrument: Add event control interface Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/13] instrument: Add generic command line library loader Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/13] instrument: [linux-user] Add " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:38 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/13] instrument: [bsd-user] " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/13] instrument: [softmmu] " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/13] instrument: [qapi] Add " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 18:03   ` Eric Blake
2017-07-25  8:24     ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-25 11:30       ` Eric Blake
2017-07-25 11:51         ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] instrument: [hmp] " Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-24 17:54 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] trace: Rename C++-specific names in event arguments Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-25 13:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] instrument: Add basic event instrumentation Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-25 13:30   ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-25 15:11     ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-26 11:22       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-26 12:44         ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-27 10:32           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-27 10:40             ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-28 13:42               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-28 16:21                 ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-08-02 11:04                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-26 11:26     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-26 11:49       ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-26 12:26         ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-27 10:43         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-27 10:54           ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-27 14:58             ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-27 15:21             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-27 15:33               ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-27 15:45                 ` Daniel P. Berrange [this message]
2017-07-28 13:34                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-28 13:41                     ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-28 14:06                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-28 16:05                         ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-08-01 13:48                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-01 13:54                             ` Peter Maydell
2017-08-02 11:04                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-02 11:10                                 ` Peter Maydell
2017-08-02 14:49                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-02 15:19                                     ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-08-03 11:54                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-26  0:14                                         ` Emilio G. Cota
2017-08-26  0:02                           ` Emilio G. Cota
2017-08-29  9:19                             ` Peter Maydell
2017-07-28 13:52                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-07-28 16:14                       ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-08-01 13:13                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-28 15:10                     ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-27 19:55               ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-25 14:47   ` Lluís Vilanova
2017-07-26 11:29     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-26 12:31       ` Lluís Vilanova

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