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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/6] monitor: allow per-monitor thread
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 09:48:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170822084855.GC2109@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170822041519.GC2146@lemon>

* Fam Zheng (famz@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, 08/22 10:56, Peter Xu wrote:
> > I haven't really encountered (c), but I think it's the migrate_cancel
> > command that matters, which should not need BQL as well.
> 
> There is bdrv_invalidate_cache_all() in migrate_cancel which clearly isn't safe.
> Is that if block unreachable in this case? If so we should assert, otherwise
> this command is not okay to run without BQL.

Hmm yes that's a fairly recent addition to migrate_cancel - it used to
be a simplish shutdown();  still I think it must be possible to get
back to a simple shutdown() which is run directly with the cache stuff
perhaps coming along later;  actually the tricky bit is that the fd for
the shutdown() isn't just a simple int, but is in an object which
we have to make sure doesn't get freed while we do it.

> Generically, what guarantee the thread-safety of a qmp command when you decide
> BQL is not needed? In other words, how do you prove commands are safe without
> BQL? I think almost every command accesses global state, but lock-free data
> structures are rare AFAICT.

I'm assuming there would initially be very few commands marked as
lock-free, that were mostly trivially small.

I was thinking that it might be possible to do a debug build with
some checking as well; something like making the code that takes
the bql check a per-thread flag, and assert if the flag is set.
The monitor-threads could set the flag, so that if we fell
down a path that tried to take the BQL we'd fail.

Dave

> Fam
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-22  8:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-21  7:44 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/6] monitor: allow per-monitor thread Peter Xu
2017-08-21  7:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/6] monitor: move skip_flush into monitor_data_init Peter Xu
2017-08-21  7:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 2/6] monitor: allow monitor to create thread to poll Peter Xu
2017-08-21  7:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 3/6] QAPI: new QMP command option "without-bql" Peter Xu
2017-08-21  7:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 4/6] migration: qmp: migrate_incoming don't need BQL Peter Xu
2017-08-21  7:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 5/6] hmp: support "without_bql" Peter Xu
2017-08-21  7:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 6/6] migration: hmp: migrate_incoming don't need BQL Peter Xu
2017-08-21  8:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/6] monitor: allow per-monitor thread Fam Zheng
2017-08-21 10:05   ` Peter Xu
2017-08-21 10:17     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-21 14:04       ` Fam Zheng
2017-08-21 14:06         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-21 13:57     ` Fam Zheng
2017-08-21 15:36       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-21 16:54         ` Fam Zheng
2017-08-21 17:28           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-22  2:15             ` Fam Zheng
2017-08-22  2:56               ` Peter Xu
2017-08-22  4:15                 ` Fam Zheng
2017-08-22  5:59                   ` Peter Xu
2017-08-22  6:33                     ` Fam Zheng
2017-08-22  6:56                       ` Peter Xu
2017-08-22  8:29                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-22  8:48                         ` Fam Zheng
2017-08-22  8:48                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2017-08-22  4:51 ` no-reply
2017-08-22  6:21   ` Peter Xu

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