From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>
Cc: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
Qemu-block <qemu-block@nongnu.org>,
Manos Pitsidianakis <el13635@mail.ntua.gr>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Persistent bitmaps for non-qcow2 formats
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:39:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170905143949.GM4633@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170905133957.GX22515@lemon.lan>
Am 05.09.2017 um 15:39 hat Fam Zheng geschrieben:
> On Tue, 09/05 15:27, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > Am 05.09.2017 um 15:18 hat Fam Zheng geschrieben:
> > > On Tue, 09/05 15:01, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > > Am 28.08.2017 um 04:57 hat Fam Zheng geschrieben:
> > > > > On Fri, 08/25 15:44, Max Reitz wrote:
> > > > > > Well, OK. The main argument against supporting anything but qcow2 is
> > > > > > "if you want features, use qcow2; and we are working on making qcow2 as
> > > > > > fast as possible." I think that's a very good argument still. At some
> > > > > > point I (and probably others, too) had the idea of making qcow2 files in
> > > > > > raw layout:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes! I think this idea makes a whole lot of sense, too. Metadata tables can be
> > > > > generated so old implementation can still use it.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe a nice way to attack this would be "huge pages", i.e. have a L1
> > > > entry flag that tells "this points directly to a huge cluster instead of
> > > > an L2 table". Gives us 512 MB clusters with a 64k cluster size, or a
> > > > maximum of 512 GB clusters with a 2 MB cluster size.
> > > >
> > > > Huge clusters would only be used by qemu-img create if the respective
> > > > option is given, and only with preallocation.
> > >
> > > Then this image is not usable on old QEMUs, right? So this is going to be an
> > > incompatible_feature, whereas with the linear mapping L1/L2 tables approach, it
> > > can be an autoclear_feature.
> >
> > Ah yes, that's true. Maybe that's important enough that just a single
> > global flag is better, even if it's less flexible.
> >
> > Of course, this approach also means that we still need to write all of
> > the L2 tables and use disk space for them, even though newer versions
> > will never look at them.
>
> To speculate^Wmitigate, "qemu-img create" is free to pick a larger cluster size
> when this feature is used?
Seems reasonable, though the 2 MB limit for the cluster size still
applies.
Kevin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-09-05 14:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-08-22 19:07 [Qemu-devel] Persistent bitmaps for non-qcow2 formats John Snow
2017-08-23 8:59 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2017-08-23 18:04 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2017-08-23 18:37 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2017-08-25 0:55 ` John Snow
2017-08-25 12:05 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2017-08-25 13:44 ` Max Reitz
2017-08-28 2:57 ` Fam Zheng
2017-08-28 18:11 ` John Snow
2017-08-29 9:26 ` Yaniv Lavi (Dary)
2017-08-30 10:35 ` Max Reitz
2017-08-30 12:58 ` Yaniv Lavi (Dary)
2017-08-30 21:25 ` John Snow
2017-08-31 7:53 ` Yaniv Lavi (Dary)
2017-09-05 13:01 ` Kevin Wolf
2017-09-05 13:18 ` Fam Zheng
2017-09-05 13:27 ` Kevin Wolf
2017-09-05 13:39 ` Fam Zheng
2017-09-05 14:39 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2017-08-29 1:18 ` John Snow
2017-08-29 14:30 ` Eric Blake
2017-08-29 21:02 ` John Snow
2017-08-30 11:18 ` Max Reitz
2017-08-30 11:14 ` Max Reitz
2017-08-23 17:31 ` Max Reitz
2017-08-23 17:44 ` John Snow
2017-09-05 13:15 ` Kevin Wolf
2017-08-30 13:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-08-30 13:45 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-08-30 21:39 ` John Snow
2017-09-05 11:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2017-09-06 13:11 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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