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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>,
	Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>, Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 0/8] monitor: allow per-monitor thread
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 15:38:08 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170907073808.GA22637@pxdev.xzpeter.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170906151436.GF2215@work-vm>

On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 04:14:37PM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Stefan Hajnoczi (stefanha@gmail.com) wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 02:51:03PM +0800, Peter Xu wrote:
> > > The root problem is that, monitor commands are all handled in main
> > > loop thread now, no matter how many monitors we specify. And, if main
> > > loop thread hangs due to some reason, all monitors will be stuck.
> > 
> > I see a larger issue with postcopy: existing QEMU code assumes that
> > guest memory access is instantaneous.
> > 
> > Postcopy breaks this assumption and introduces blocking points that can
> > now take unbounded time.
> > 
> > This problem isn't specific to the monitor.  It can also happen to other
> > components in QEMU like the gdbstub.
> > 
> > Do we need an asynchronous memory API?  Synchronous memory access should
> > only be allowed in vcpu threads.
> 
> It would probably be useful for gdbstub where the overhead of async
> doesn't matter;  but doing that for all IO emulation is hard.

Agreed.

IIUC one problem is that we should have code that cached the HVA for
specific GPA, then when it wants to write to that GPA, it directly
writes to corresponding HVA.  No memory API is used.  I am not sure
whether it's possible to convert all these usages into memory APIs
(even if it supports async operations).

-- 
Peter Xu

  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-07  7:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-23  6:51 [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 0/8] monitor: allow per-monitor thread Peter Xu
2017-08-23  6:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 1/8] monitor: move skip_flush into monitor_data_init Peter Xu
2017-08-23 16:31   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-23  6:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 2/8] monitor: allow monitor to create thread to poll Peter Xu
2017-08-23 17:35   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-25  4:25     ` Peter Xu
2017-08-25  9:30       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-28  5:53         ` Peter Xu
2017-09-08 17:29           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-25 15:27   ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-25 15:33     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-25 16:07       ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-25 16:12         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-25 16:21           ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-25 16:29             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-26  8:33               ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-28  3:05         ` Peter Xu
2017-08-28 10:11           ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-28 12:48             ` Peter Xu
2017-09-05 18:58               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-28 11:08         ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-28 12:28           ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-28 16:24             ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-28 17:24               ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-29  6:27                 ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-23  6:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 3/8] char-io: fix possible risk on IOWatchPoll Peter Xu
2017-08-25 14:44   ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-08-26  7:19   ` Fam Zheng
2017-08-28  5:56     ` Peter Xu
2017-08-23  6:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 4/8] QAPI: new QMP command option "without-bql" Peter Xu
2017-08-23 17:44   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-23 23:37     ` Fam Zheng
2017-08-25  5:37       ` Peter Xu
2017-08-25  9:14         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-28  8:08           ` Peter Xu
2017-09-08 17:38             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-25  5:35     ` Peter Xu
2017-08-25  9:06       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-28  8:26         ` Peter Xu
2017-09-08 17:52           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-23  6:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 5/8] hmp: support "without_bql" Peter Xu
2017-08-23 17:46   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-25  5:44     ` Peter Xu
2017-08-23  6:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 6/8] migration: qmp: migrate_incoming don't need BQL Peter Xu
2017-08-23  6:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 7/8] migration: hmp: " Peter Xu
2017-08-23  6:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 8/8] migration: add incoming mgmt lock Peter Xu
2017-08-23 18:01   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-25  5:49     ` Peter Xu
2017-08-25  9:34       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-08-28  8:39         ` Peter Xu
2017-08-29 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 0/8] monitor: allow per-monitor thread Daniel P. Berrange
2017-08-30  7:06   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-08-30 10:13     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-08-31  3:31       ` Peter Xu
2017-08-31  9:14         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-06  9:48   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-06 10:46     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-06 10:48       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-06 10:54         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-06 10:57           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-06 11:06             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-06 11:31               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-06 11:54                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-07  8:13                   ` Peter Xu
2017-09-07  8:49                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-07  9:18                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-07 10:19                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-07 10:24                         ` Peter Xu
2017-09-07  8:55                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-07  9:19                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-07  9:22                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-07  9:27                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-07 11:19                         ` Markus Armbruster
2017-09-07 11:31                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-07  9:15                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-07  9:25                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-07 12:59                     ` Markus Armbruster
2017-09-07 13:22                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-07 17:41                         ` Markus Armbruster
2017-09-07 18:09                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-08  8:41                             ` Markus Armbruster
2017-09-08  9:32                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-08 11:49                                 ` Markus Armbruster
2017-09-08 13:19                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-11 10:32                                   ` Peter Xu
2017-09-11 10:36                                     ` Peter Xu
2017-09-11 10:43                                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-08  9:27                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-07 14:20                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-07 17:41                         ` Markus Armbruster
2017-09-07 18:04                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-07 10:04                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-07 10:08                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-07 13:59                 ` Eric Blake
2017-09-06 14:50 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-06 15:14   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-07  7:38     ` Peter Xu [this message]
2017-09-07  8:58     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-07  9:35       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-07 10:09         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-07 12:02           ` Peter Xu
2017-09-07 16:53             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-07 17:14               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-09-07 17:35                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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