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From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, eblake@redhat.com, armbru@redhat.com,
	pkrempa@redhat.com, peter.maydell@linaro.org,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, cohuck@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 4/6] CLI: add -paused option
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 22:15:48 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171020001548.GK2942@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171019104218.GB13245@umbus>

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 09:42:18PM +1100, David Gibson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 02:59:16PM -0200, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 06:22:54PM +0200, Igor Mammedov wrote:
> > > Signed-off-by: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>
> > > ---
> > >  include/sysemu/sysemu.h |  1 +
> > >  qemu-options.hx         | 15 ++++++++++++++
> > >  qmp.c                   |  5 +++++
> > >  vl.c                    | 54 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
> > >  4 files changed, 74 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/include/sysemu/sysemu.h b/include/sysemu/sysemu.h
> > > index b213696..3feb94f 100644
> > > --- a/include/sysemu/sysemu.h
> > > +++ b/include/sysemu/sysemu.h
> > > @@ -66,6 +66,7 @@ typedef enum WakeupReason {
> > >      QEMU_WAKEUP_REASON_OTHER,
> > >  } WakeupReason;
> > >  
> > > +void qemu_exit_preconfig_request(void);
> > >  void qemu_system_reset_request(ShutdownCause reason);
> > >  void qemu_system_suspend_request(void);
> > >  void qemu_register_suspend_notifier(Notifier *notifier);
> > > diff --git a/qemu-options.hx b/qemu-options.hx
> > > index 39225ae..bd44db8 100644
> > > --- a/qemu-options.hx
> > > +++ b/qemu-options.hx
> > > @@ -3498,6 +3498,21 @@ STEXI
> > >  Run the emulation in single step mode.
> > >  ETEXI
> > >  
> > > +DEF("paused", HAS_ARG, QEMU_OPTION_paused, \
> > > +    "-paused [state=]postconf|preconf\n"
> > > +    "                postconf: pause QEMU after machine is initialized\n"
> > > +    "                preconf: pause QEMU before machine is initialized\n",
> > > +    QEMU_ARCH_ALL)
> > 
> > I would like to allow pausing before machine-type is selected, so
> > management could run query-machines before choosing a
> > machine-type.  Would that need a third "-pause" mode, or will we
> > be able to change "preconf" to pause before select_machine() is
> > called?
> > 
> > The same probably applies to other things initialized before
> > machine_run_board_init() that could be configurable using QMP,
> > including but not limited to:
> > * Accelerator configuration
> > * Registering global properties
> > * RAM size
> > * SMP/CPU configuration
> 
> Yeah.. having a bunch of different possible pause stages to select
> doesn't sound great.

I agree.  The number of externally visible pause states should be
as small as possible.


>                       Could we avoid this by instead changing -S to
> pause at the earliest possible spot, but having any monitor commands
> that require a later stage automatically "fast forwarding" to the
> right phase?

That would hide the internal details from the outside.  Sounds
nice, but adding new machine/device configuration QMP commands
while hiding the QEMU state from the outside sounds impossible.

For example, if we use -S today, this works:

  $ qemu-system-x86_64 -S -qmp stdio
  <- {"QMP": {"version": {"qemu": {"micro": 0, "minor": 10, "major": 2}, "package": " (v2.10.0-83-g9375da7831)"}, "capabilities": []}}
  -> {"execute":"qmp_capabilities"}
  <- {"return": {}}
  -> {"execute":"query-cpus"}
  <- {"return": [{"arch": "x86", "current": true, "props": {"core-id": 0, "thread-id": 0, "socket-id": 0}, "CPU": 0, "qom_path": "/machine/unattached/device[0]", "pc": 4294967280, "halted": false, "thread_id": 4038}]}

This means "query-cpus" needs to fast-forward to the CPU creation
stage if we want to keep compatibility.

Now, assume we add a set-numa-node command like the one in this
series.  e.g.:

  $ qemu-system-x86_64 -S -qmp stdio
  <- {"QMP": {"version": {"qemu": {"micro": 0, "minor": 10, "major": 2}, "package": " (v2.10.0-83-g9375da7831)"}, "capabilities": []}}
  -> {"execute":"qmp_capabilities"}
  <- {"return": {}}
  -> {"execute":"set-numa-node" ... }
  <- {"return": ...}

The command will work only if machine initialization didn't run
yet.

But now an innocent-looking query command would change QEMU state
in an unexpected way:

  $ qemu-system-x86_64 -S -qmp stdio
  <- {"QMP": {"version": {"qemu": {"micro": 0, "minor": 10, "major": 2}, "package": " (v2.10.0-83-g9375da7831)"}, "capabilities": []}}
  -> {"execute":"qmp_capabilities"}
  <- {"return": {}}
  -> {"execute":"query-cpus"}  [will silently fast-forward QEMU state]
  <- {"return": [{"arch": "x86", "current": true, "props": {"core-id": 0, "thread-id": 0, "socket-id": 0}, "CPU": 0, "qom_path": "/machine/unattached/device[0]", "pc": 4294967280, "halted": false, "thread_id": 4038}]}
  -> {"execute":"set-numa-node" ... }
  <- {"error": ...}  [the command will fail because the machine was already created]

This means we do have a externally visible "too late to use
set-numa-node" QEMU state, and query-cpus will have a externally
visible side effect.  Every QMP command would need to document
how it affects QEMU state in a externally visible way.

If QEMU pause state is still going to be externally visible this
way, I would prefer to let the client to explicitly tell what's
the state they want QEMU to be, instead of making QEMU change
state silently as a side effect of QMP commands.

> 
[...]


-- 
Eduardo

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-20  0:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-16 16:22 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/6] enable numa configuration before machine_init() from HMP/QMP Igor Mammedov
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/6] numa: postpone options post-processing till machine_run_board_init() Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17  5:49   ` David Gibson
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 2/6] numa: split out NumaOptions parsing into parse_NumaOptions() Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18  3:27   ` David Gibson
2017-10-18 14:53     ` Eric Blake
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 3/6] possible_cpus: add CPUArchId::type field Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 11:12   ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 " Igor Mammedov
2017-10-19  6:31     ` David Gibson
2017-10-31 14:01       ` Igor Mammedov
2017-11-06 18:02         ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-11-07 15:04           ` Cornelia Huck
2017-11-09  6:58             ` David Gibson
2017-11-09 20:02               ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-11-10 10:14                 ` Cornelia Huck
2017-11-10 12:34                   ` David Hildenbrand
2017-11-10 12:58                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-11-10 13:07                       ` David Hildenbrand
2017-11-21 14:02                 ` Igor Mammedov
2017-11-09  6:53           ` David Gibson
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 4/6] CLI: add -paused option Igor Mammedov
2017-10-16 16:35   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17  8:17     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 10:56       ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-10-17 11:11         ` Peter Krempa
2017-10-20 15:38     ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-16 16:59   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-16 17:01     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-16 17:17       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-17  8:47         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-17  9:25           ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 14:48       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 15:21         ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-10-17 15:35           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 15:42             ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-10-17 15:47               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 15:47             ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 15:52               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17  9:10     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-19 10:42     ` David Gibson
2017-10-20  0:15       ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]
2017-10-20  1:19         ` David Gibson
2017-10-20 14:21           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-23  9:49             ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23  9:53               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-23 10:36                 ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23 10:49                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-23 11:18                     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-25 10:52                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-25 10:35               ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-23  9:30         ` Alex Bennée
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 5/6] HMP: add set-numa-node command Igor Mammedov
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 6/6] QMP: " Igor Mammedov
2017-10-16 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/6] enable numa configuration before machine_init() from HMP/QMP Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-16 17:05   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-17  7:27   ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 15:07     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 15:24       ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-10-17 16:06       ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 16:09         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 16:18           ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 12:59             ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-18 14:44               ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 14:49                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 15:24                   ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 15:27                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 20:11                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-18 15:30         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 20:22           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-19 11:49             ` David Gibson
2017-10-19 12:23               ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-20  1:21                 ` David Gibson
2017-10-20 19:53                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-23  8:17                     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23  8:45                     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-25  6:57                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-25  7:02                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-25 13:37                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-19 15:21           ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-19 15:28             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-19 19:56               ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-20  9:07                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-20 20:07                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-23  8:53                     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23 10:04                   ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23 10:19                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 12:19       ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-18 12:27         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 12:33           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-18 14:26             ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 14:29               ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-18 14:54                 ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 14:21           ` Igor Mammedov

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