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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	peter.maydell@linaro.org, pkrempa@redhat.com, cohuck@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, armbru@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/6] enable numa configuration before machine_init() from HMP/QMP
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:21:30 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171020012130.GG13245@umbus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <58846850-bbe2-e1c4-2235-58b3f6709ba6@redhat.com>

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On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 02:23:04PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 19/10/2017 13:49, David Gibson wrote:
> > Note that describing socket/core/thread tuples as arch independent (or
> > even machine independent) is.. debatable.  I mean it's flexible enough
> > that most platforms can be fit to that scheme without too much
> > straining.  But, there's no arch independent way of defining what each
> > level means in terms of its properties.
> > 
> > So, for example, on spapr - being paravirt - there's no real
> > distinction between cores and sockets, how you divide them up is
> > completely arbitrary.
> 
> Same on x86, actually.
> 
> It's _common_ that cores on the same socket share L3 cache and that a
> socket spans an integer number of NUMA nodes, but it doesn't have to be
> that way.
> 
> QEMU currently enforces the former (if it tells the guest at all that
> there is an L3 cache), but not the latter.

Ok.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't ACPI describe the NUMA
architecture in terms of this thread/core/socket heirarchy?  That's
not true for PAPR, where the NUMA topology is described in an
independent set of (potentially arbitrarily nested) nodes.

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-20  1:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-16 16:22 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/6] enable numa configuration before machine_init() from HMP/QMP Igor Mammedov
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/6] numa: postpone options post-processing till machine_run_board_init() Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17  5:49   ` David Gibson
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 2/6] numa: split out NumaOptions parsing into parse_NumaOptions() Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18  3:27   ` David Gibson
2017-10-18 14:53     ` Eric Blake
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 3/6] possible_cpus: add CPUArchId::type field Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 11:12   ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 " Igor Mammedov
2017-10-19  6:31     ` David Gibson
2017-10-31 14:01       ` Igor Mammedov
2017-11-06 18:02         ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-11-07 15:04           ` Cornelia Huck
2017-11-09  6:58             ` David Gibson
2017-11-09 20:02               ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-11-10 10:14                 ` Cornelia Huck
2017-11-10 12:34                   ` David Hildenbrand
2017-11-10 12:58                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-11-10 13:07                       ` David Hildenbrand
2017-11-21 14:02                 ` Igor Mammedov
2017-11-09  6:53           ` David Gibson
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 4/6] CLI: add -paused option Igor Mammedov
2017-10-16 16:35   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17  8:17     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 10:56       ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-10-17 11:11         ` Peter Krempa
2017-10-20 15:38     ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-16 16:59   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-16 17:01     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-16 17:17       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-17  8:47         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-17  9:25           ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 14:48       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 15:21         ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-10-17 15:35           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 15:42             ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-10-17 15:47               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 15:47             ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 15:52               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17  9:10     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-19 10:42     ` David Gibson
2017-10-20  0:15       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-20  1:19         ` David Gibson
2017-10-20 14:21           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-23  9:49             ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23  9:53               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-23 10:36                 ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23 10:49                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-23 11:18                     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-25 10:52                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-25 10:35               ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-23  9:30         ` Alex Bennée
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 5/6] HMP: add set-numa-node command Igor Mammedov
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 6/6] QMP: " Igor Mammedov
2017-10-16 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/6] enable numa configuration before machine_init() from HMP/QMP Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-16 17:05   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-17  7:27   ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 15:07     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 15:24       ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-10-17 16:06       ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 16:09         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 16:18           ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 12:59             ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-18 14:44               ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 14:49                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 15:24                   ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 15:27                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 20:11                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-18 15:30         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 20:22           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-19 11:49             ` David Gibson
2017-10-19 12:23               ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-20  1:21                 ` David Gibson [this message]
2017-10-20 19:53                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-23  8:17                     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23  8:45                     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-25  6:57                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-25  7:02                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-25 13:37                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-19 15:21           ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-19 15:28             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-19 19:56               ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-20  9:07                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-20 20:07                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-23  8:53                     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23 10:04                   ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23 10:19                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 12:19       ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-18 12:27         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 12:33           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-18 14:26             ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 14:29               ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-18 14:54                 ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 14:21           ` Igor Mammedov

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