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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	marcandre.lureau@redhat.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, jan.kiszka@siemens.com,
	avi.cohen@huawei.com, zhiyong.yang@intel.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] [PATCH v3 2/7] vhost-pci-net: add vhost-pci-net
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:53:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171205184533-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171205164154.GD6712@stefanha-x1.localdomain>

On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 04:41:54PM +0000, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 05:55:45PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 02:59:50PM +0000, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 11:33:11AM +0800, Wei Wang wrote:
> > > > Add the vhost-pci-net device emulation. The device uses bar 2 to expose
> > > > the remote VM's memory to the guest. The first 4KB of the the bar area
> > > > stores the metadata which describes the remote memory and vring info.
> > > 
> > > This device looks like the beginning of a new "vhost-pci" virtio device
> > > type.  There are layering violations:
> > > 
> > > 1. This has nothing to do with virtio-net or networking, it's purely
> > >    vhost-pci.  Why is it called vhost-pci-net instead of vhost-pci?
> > > 
> > > 2. VirtIODevice does not know about PCI.  It should work over virtio-ccw
> > >    or virtio-mmio.  This patch talks about BARs inside a VirtIODevice so
> > >    there is a problem here.
> > 
> > I think the point is how memory is exposed to another guest.  This
> > device exposes it as a pci bar. I don't think e.g. ccw can do this,
> > it's all hypercall-based.
> 
> Yes, that's why the BAR issue needs to be discussed.
> 
> In terms of the patches, the clean way to do it is for the
> vhost-pci device to have a memory region that is not called "BAR".  The
> virtio-pci transport can expose it as a BAR but the device doesn't need
> to know about it.  Other transports that support memory mapping could
> then work with this device too.

True, though mmio is pretty much a legacy transport at this point
at least from qemu perspective as arm devs don't seem to be working
on virtio 1.0 support in qemu. So I am not sure how much
of a priority should transport isolation be.

> The VIRTIO specification needs to capture this transport requirement
> somehow too so it's clear that the vhost device can only run over
> transports that support memory mapping.
> 
> That said, it's not clear to me why the vhost-pci device is a VIRTIO
> device.  It doesn't use virtqueues or the configuration space.  It only
> uses the vhost-user chardev and the mapped memory.  Isn't it better to
> make it a PCI device?
> 
> Stefan

Seems similar enough to me, except The roles of device and driver are
reversed here.

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-05 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-05  3:33 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/7] Vhost-pci for inter-VM communication Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/7] vhost-user: share the vhost-user protocol related structures Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/7] vhost-pci-net: add vhost-pci-net Wei Wang
2017-12-05 14:59   ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 15:17     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 15:55     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 16:41       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 16:53         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2017-12-05 17:00           ` Cornelia Huck
2017-12-05 18:06             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-06 10:17     ` Wei Wang
2017-12-06 12:01       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 3/7] virtio/virtio-pci.c: add vhost-pci-net-pci Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 4/7] vhost-pci-slave: add vhost-pci slave implementation Wei Wang
2017-12-05 15:56   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 17:30   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 17:48   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 5/7] vhost-user: VHOST_USER_SET_VHOST_PCI msg Wei Wang
2017-12-05 16:00   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 10:32     ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-15 12:40       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 6/7] vhost-pci-slave: handle VHOST_USER_SET_VHOST_PCI Wei Wang
2017-12-05  3:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 7/7] virtio/vhost.c: vhost-pci needs remote gpa Wei Wang
2017-12-05 16:05   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 10:46     ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-05  4:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/7] Vhost-pci for inter-VM communication no-reply
2017-12-05  7:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Jason Wang
2017-12-05  7:15   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-05  7:19     ` Jason Wang
2017-12-05  8:49       ` Avi Cohen (A)
2017-12-05 10:36         ` Wei Wang
2017-12-05 14:30 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 15:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-05 16:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 13:49 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 16:09   ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-06 16:27     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07  3:57       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-07  5:11         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07  5:34           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-07  6:31         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07  7:54           ` Avi Cohen (A)
2017-12-07  8:04             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07  8:31               ` Jason Wang
2017-12-07 10:24                 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 13:33             ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07  9:02           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-07 13:08             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 14:02               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 16:29                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 16:47                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 17:29                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 17:38                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-07 18:28                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-07 23:54                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-08  6:08                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-08 14:27                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-08 16:15                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-09 16:08                                 ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-08  6:43                             ` Wei Wang
2017-12-08  8:33                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-09 16:23                                 ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-11 11:11                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-11 13:53                                     ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-12 10:14                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-13  8:11                                         ` Wei Wang
2017-12-13 12:35                                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-13 15:01                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-13 20:08                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-13 20:59                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 15:06                                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 10:33                                                     ` Wei Wang
2017-12-15 12:37                                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-13 21:50                                                 ` Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-14 15:46                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 16:27                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 16:39                                                       ` Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-14 16:40                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-14 16:50                                                           ` Maxime Coquelin
2017-12-14 18:11                                                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14  5:53                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-14 17:32                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15  9:10                                                 ` Wei Wang
2017-12-15 12:26                                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 18:04                                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 10:33                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-15 12:00                                                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-06 16:13   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-19 11:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-19 14:56   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-19 17:05     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-20  4:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-20  6:26         ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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