From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Stefan Hajnoczi <shajnocz@redhat.com>,
"Daniel P . Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>,
Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>,
Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
marcandre.lureau@redhat.com,
"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 24/26] docs: update QMP documents for OOB commands
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:30:19 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171214143019.GM14433@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171205055200.16305-25-peterx@redhat.com>
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On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 01:51:58PM +0800, Peter Xu wrote:
> diff --git a/docs/devel/qapi-code-gen.txt b/docs/devel/qapi-code-gen.txt
> index f04c63fe82..8597fdb087 100644
> --- a/docs/devel/qapi-code-gen.txt
> +++ b/docs/devel/qapi-code-gen.txt
> @@ -556,7 +556,8 @@ following example objects:
>
> Usage: { 'command': STRING, '*data': COMPLEX-TYPE-NAME-OR-DICT,
> '*returns': TYPE-NAME, '*boxed': true,
> - '*gen': false, '*success-response': false }
> + '*gen': false, '*success-response': false,
> + '*allow-oob': false }
>
> Commands are defined by using a dictionary containing several members,
> where three members are most common. The 'command' member is a
> @@ -636,6 +637,44 @@ possible, the command expression should include the optional key
> 'success-response' with boolean value false. So far, only QGA makes
> use of this member.
>
> +Most of the QMP commands are handled sequentially in such a order:
> +Firstly, the JSON Parser parses the command request into some internal
> +message, delivers the message to QMP dispatchers. Secondly, the QMP
> +dispatchers will handle the commands one by one in time order, respond
> +when necessary.
The important points to cover about normal commands:
1. They execute in order
2. They run the main loop
3. They run under the BQL
The other stuff about parsing requests into internal messages,
dispatchers, etc is not relevant. It's better not to include it in
documentation because it can change and could also confuse readers
(since they don't need this info).
> For some commands that always complete "quickly" can
I've mentioned before that "quickly" is misleading and not what oob
commands are about. I suggest changing this to:
Certain urgent commands can
I've made similar comments further down where I think the text focusses
on words like "quickly" or "asynchronous" too much.
> +instead be executed directly during parsing, at the QMP client's
> +request. This kind of commands that allow direct execution is called
> +"out-of-band" ("oob" as shortcut) commands. The response can overtake
> +prior in-band commands' responses. By default, commands are always
> +in-band. We need to explicitly specify "allow-oob" to "True" to show
s/"True"/true/ (JSON is case-sensitive)
> +that one command can be run out-of-band.
> +
> +One thing to mention for developers is that, although out-of-band
> +execution of commands benefit from quick and asynchronous execution,
> +it need to satisfy at least the following:
> +
> +(1) It is extremely quick and never blocks, so that its execution will
> + not block parsing routine of any other monitors.
> +
> +(2) It does not need BQL, since the parser can be run without BQL,
> + while the dispatcher is always with BQL held.
These conditions are not sufficient for postcopy recovery. I suggest
rephrasing this section as follows:
An out-of-band command must:
1. Complete extremely quickly
2. Not take locks
3. Not invoke blocking system calls
4. Not access guest RAM or memory that blocks when userfaultfd is
enabled for postcopy live migration
We could make #2 less strict by saying "Not take locks except for
spinlocks (or mutexes that could be spinlocks because the critical
regions are tiny) or indirectly via g_malloc()".
> Whether a command is
> +allowed to run out-of-band can also be introspected using
> +query-qmp-schema command. Please see the section "Client JSON
> +Protocol introspection" for more information.
This is relevant to client authors, not QEMU developers learning about
qapi. I suggest dropping it.
> +
> +To execute a command in out-of-band way, we need to specify the
> +"control" field in the request, with "run-oob" set to true. Example:
> +
> + => { "execute": "command-support-oob",
> + "arguments": { ... },
> + "control": { "run-oob": true } }
> + <= { "return": { } }
> +
> +Without it, even the commands that supports out-of-band execution will
> +still be run in-band.
This is relevant to client authors, not QEMU developers learning about
qapi. I suggest instead explaining how qmp functions need to test for
qmp_is_oob() so that they know which mode they are executing in.
> 2.2.1 Capabilities
> ------------------
>
> -As of the date this document was last revised, no server or client
> -capability strings have been defined.
> -
> +Currently supported capabilities are:
> +
> +- "oob": it means the QMP server supports "Out-Of-Band" command
> + execution. For more detail, please see "run-oob" parameter in
> + "Issuing Commands" section below. Not all commands allow this "oob"
> + execution. One can know whether one command supports "oob" by
> + "query-qmp-schema" command.
> +
> + NOTE: Converting an existing QMP command to be OOB-capable can be
> + either very easy or extremely hard. The most important thing is
> + that OOB-capable command should never be blocked for a long time.
> + Some bad examples: (1) doing IOs, especially when the backend can be
> + an NFS storage; or (2) accessing guest memories, which can be simply
> + blocked for a very long time when it triggers a page fault, which
> + may not be handled immediately. It's still legal to take a mutex in
> + an OOB-capable command handler, however, we need to make sure that
> + all the other code paths that are protected by the same lock won't
> + be blocked very long as well, otherwise the OOB handler might be
> + blocked too when it tries to take the lock.
Please drop this paragraph, this is the qmp-spec.txt document so the
implementation of QEMU's QMP commands shouldn't be discussed here.
> For some commands that always complete
> + "quickly" can be executed directly during parsing at the QMP
> + client's request.
Please drop this sentence. "quickly" isn't the important quality, it's
urgency. Also the description of execution in the QMP parser isn't
relevant for qmp-spec.txt, what matters is that oob commands can execute
while a normal monitor command is still running (this is described next
so this whole sentence can be dropped).
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2017-12-05 5:51 [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 00/26] QMP: out-of-band (OOB) execution support Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 01/26] qobject: introduce qstring_get_try_str() Peter Xu
2017-12-13 15:25 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 02/26] qobject: introduce qobject_get_try_str() Peter Xu
2017-12-13 15:25 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 03/26] qobject: let object_property_get_str() use new API Peter Xu
2017-12-13 15:27 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 04/26] monitor: move skip_flush into monitor_data_init Peter Xu
2017-12-13 15:28 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 05/26] qjson: add "opaque" field to JSONMessageParser Peter Xu
2017-12-13 15:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 7:55 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-15 12:45 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-16 3:28 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 06/26] monitor: move the cur_mon hack deeper for QMP Peter Xu
2017-12-13 15:41 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 8:02 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 07/26] monitor: unify global init Peter Xu
2017-12-13 15:48 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 8:11 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-15 12:47 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-16 3:52 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-16 9:01 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-18 3:27 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-18 9:24 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-18 10:10 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 08/26] monitor: let mon_list be tail queue Peter Xu
2017-12-13 15:49 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 09/26] monitor: create monitor dedicate iothread Peter Xu
2017-12-13 16:20 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 8:31 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-15 13:21 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-16 4:42 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-16 4:50 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 10/26] monitor: allow to use IO thread for parsing Peter Xu
2017-12-13 16:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 8:50 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 11/26] qmp: introduce QMPCapability Peter Xu
2017-12-13 16:56 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 9:14 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-15 9:38 ` Fam Zheng
2017-12-16 3:58 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 12/26] qmp: negociate QMP capabilities Peter Xu
2017-12-12 17:39 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-12-13 17:19 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 9:40 ` Fam Zheng
2017-12-15 13:26 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 13:53 ` Fam Zheng
2017-12-16 5:34 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 13/26] qmp: introduce some capability helpers Peter Xu
2017-12-12 17:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-12-13 17:20 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 9:42 ` Fam Zheng
2017-12-16 5:45 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 14/26] monitor: introduce monitor_qmp_respond() Peter Xu
2017-12-13 17:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-16 5:52 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 15/26] monitor: let suspend_cnt be thread safe Peter Xu
2017-12-13 18:43 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-16 6:12 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-16 9:11 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-18 5:16 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 16/26] monitor: separate QMP parser and dispatcher Peter Xu
2017-12-13 20:09 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-16 6:37 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-16 6:46 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-16 9:23 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-18 5:26 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-18 9:10 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-18 10:03 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 17/26] qmp: add new event "request-dropped" Peter Xu
2017-12-14 11:16 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-16 6:59 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-14 11:32 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 18/26] monitor: send event when request queue full Peter Xu
2017-12-14 11:41 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-16 7:17 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-16 9:28 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-18 5:32 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 19/26] qapi: introduce new cmd option "allow-oob" Peter Xu
2017-12-14 12:42 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-15 9:51 ` Fam Zheng
2017-12-16 7:34 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 20/26] qmp: support out-of-band (oob) execution Peter Xu
2017-12-14 13:16 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-18 5:37 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 21/26] qmp: isolate responses into io thread Peter Xu
2017-12-14 13:43 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-18 5:52 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-18 7:32 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-18 8:40 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-18 10:15 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 22/26] monitor: enable IO thread for (qmp & !mux) typed Peter Xu
2017-12-14 13:44 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 23/26] qmp: add command "x-oob-test" Peter Xu
2017-12-14 13:45 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 24/26] docs: update QMP documents for OOB commands Peter Xu
2017-12-14 14:30 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2017-12-18 9:44 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-18 14:09 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-19 3:18 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 25/26] tests: qmp-test: verify command batching Peter Xu
2017-12-14 14:39 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-18 9:48 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-05 5:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 26/26] tests: qmp-test: add oob test Peter Xu
2017-12-14 14:47 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-18 9:51 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-18 13:59 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-14 14:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v5 00/26] QMP: out-of-band (OOB) execution support Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-19 6:05 ` Peter Xu
2017-12-15 10:41 ` Fam Zheng
2017-12-15 11:43 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-12-15 13:30 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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