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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Daniel Henrique Barboza <danielhb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v1 1/2] qmp.c: (re)implement qmp_cpu
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 18:59:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171215185939.GE2358@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <949be39f-d2a9-29b4-d9b7-46378d827161@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

* Daniel Henrique Barboza (danielhb@linux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/14/2017 01:21 PM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> > Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com> writes:
> > 
> > > On 12/13/2017 12:15 PM, Daniel Henrique Barboza wrote:
> > > > Commit 755f196898 ("qapi: Convert the cpu command") added the qmp_cpu
> > > > function in qmp.c, leaving it blank. It the same commit, a working
> > > > hmp_cpu was implemented. Since then, no further changes were made in
> > > > qmp_cpu, resulting now in a working 'cpu' command that works in HMP
> > > > and a 'cpu' command in QMP that does nothing.
> > > > 
> > > > Regardless of what constraints were involved that time in not implemeting
> > > > qmp_cpu, at this moment it is possible to have both.
> > If I remember that part of history correctly, implementing the command
> > in QMP was just as possible back then, but deemed a Bad Idea for the
> > reason Eric explains below.
> > 
> > What I don't quite remember is why we had to implement it in QMP as a
> > no-op.  Might have been due to the way QMP and HMP were entangled back
> > then.
> Speaking of QMP and HMP 'entanglement', is the content of the wiki
> still valid?
> 
> https://wiki.qemu.org/Features/QAPI
> 
> And under "HMP Conversion" we have:
> 
> "For HMP commands that don't have QMP equivalents today, new QMP functions
> will be added to support these commands."
> 
> This in particular gave me the motivation to go ahead and implement qmp_cpu.
> But then again, the last entry on Status is "3/6/2011" so yeah, I should
> have
> asked here first whether the info from this wiki was relevant before sending
> the patch.
> 
> > > >                                                       This patch brings
> > > > the logic of hmp_cpu to qmp_cpu and converts the HMP function to use its
> > > > QMP counterpart.
> > > I'm not sure I like this. HMP is stateful (you have to remember what
> > > previous 'cpu' commands have been run to tell what the current command
> > > will do).  That may be convenient (if not confusing) to humans, but is
> > > lousy for machine interfaces.  QMP should be stateless as much as
> > > possible - for any command that would behave differently according to
> > > what CPU is selected, THAT command (and not a different 'cpu' command
> > > executed previously) should have a cpu argument alongside all its other
> > > parameters.
> > > 
> > > So unless you have a really strong use case for this, I don't think we
> > > want it.
> 
> My case was simply "HMP has it, QMP doesn't". I wasn't aware that QMP
> must be as stateless as possible but HMP can retain state.
> 
> Now, is there any command that actually is impacted or makes use of the
> current monitor CPU? I've searched a bit in qapi-schema.json and
> hmp-commands.hx and haven't found any (although this does not
> mean necessarily that no command is making use of it). Supposing
> that no command makes good use of it, perhaps it's a good exercise
> to evaluate if both qmp_cpu and hmp_cpu should be deprecated.

I don't think there should be anything that uses it in qmp, there are in
hmp - for example 'info registers' or 'info lapic' use the current cpu
in HMP.

Dave

> > > 
> > > 
> > > > +++ b/qapi-schema.json
> > > > @@ -1048,11 +1048,19 @@
> > > >   ##
> > > >   # @cpu:
> > > >   #
> > > > -# This command is a nop that is only provided for the purposes of compatibility.
> > > > +# Set the default CPU.
> > > >   #
> > > > -# Since: 0.14.0
> > > > +# @index: The index of the virtual CPU to be set as default
> > > > +#
> > > > +# Returns: Nothing on success
> > > > +#
> > > > +# Since: 2.12.0
> > > > +#
> > > > +# Example:
> > > > +#
> > > > +# -> { "execute": "cpu", "arguments": { "index": 2 } }
> > > > +# <- { "return": {} }
> > > >   #
> > > > -# Notes: Do not use this command.
> > > >   ##
> > > >   { 'command': 'cpu', 'data': {'index': 'int'} }
> > > > diff --git a/qmp.c b/qmp.c
> > > > index e8c303116a..c482225d5c 100644
> > > > --- a/qmp.c
> > > > +++ b/qmp.c
> > > > @@ -115,7 +115,9 @@ void qmp_system_powerdown(Error **erp)
> > > >   void qmp_cpu(int64_t index, Error **errp)
> > > >   {
> > > > -    /* Just do nothing */
> > > > +    if (monitor_set_cpu(index) < 0) {
> > > > +        error_setg(errp, "Invalid CPU index");
> > > > +    }
> > > >   }
> > > >   void qmp_cpu_add(int64_t id, Error **errp)
> > > > 
> > > Better yet, let's document that 'cpu' is deprecated, so that we can
> > > remove it from QMP altogether in a couple of releases.
> > Yes.
> > 
> > The standard way to deprecate a feature is to add it to appendix
> > "Deprecated features" in qemu-doc.texi, and make its use trigger
> > suitable deprecation messages, pointing to a replacement if any.
> 
> I'll give a try.
> 
> 
> Daniel
> 
> > 
> > Unfortunately, we still lack means to signal "X is deprecated, use Y
> > instead" to a QMP client.  Not important in this case, because the
> > command has never worked.
> > 
> 
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-12-15 18:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-13 18:15 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v1 0/2] QMP: implementing qmp_cpu Daniel Henrique Barboza
2017-12-13 18:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v1 1/2] qmp.c: (re)implement qmp_cpu Daniel Henrique Barboza
2017-12-14  2:18   ` Eric Blake
2017-12-14 15:21     ` Markus Armbruster
2017-12-14 19:46       ` Daniel Henrique Barboza
2017-12-15 13:56         ` Markus Armbruster
2017-12-15 18:11           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-12-18  9:20             ` Markus Armbruster
2017-12-15 18:59         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2017-12-18  9:12           ` Markus Armbruster
2017-12-13 18:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v1 2/2] cpus.c: change qmp_query_cpus 'value->current' logic Daniel Henrique Barboza
2017-12-14 19:50   ` Daniel Henrique Barboza

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