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From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong.eric@gmail.com>,
	Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] util/mmap-alloc: support MAP_SYNC in qemu_ram_mmap()
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 09:57:07 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180104115707.GC3143@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180104012328.j4n2vuiq27rix3ss@hz-desktop>

On Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 09:23:28AM +0800, Haozhong Zhang wrote:
> On 01/03/18 11:45 -0200, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 11:16:39AM +0800, Haozhong Zhang wrote:
> > > On 01/02/18 18:02 +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 02:56:20PM +0800, Haozhong Zhang wrote:
> > > > > When a file supporting DAX is used as vNVDIMM backend, mmap it with
> > > > > MAP_SYNC flag in addition can guarantee the persistence of guest write
> > > > > to the backend file without other QEMU actions (e.g., periodic fsync()
> > > > > by QEMU).
> > > > > 
> > > > > By using MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE flag with MAP_SYNC, we can ensure mmap
> > > > > with MAP_SYNC fails if MAP_SYNC is not supported by the kernel or the
> > > > > backend file. On such failures, QEMU retries mmap without MAP_SYNC and
> > > > > MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Haozhong Zhang <haozhong.zhang@intel.com>
> > > > 
> > > > If users rely on MAP_SYNC then don't you need to fail allocation
> > > > if you can't use it?
> > > 
> > > MAP_SYNC is supported since Linux kernel 4.15 and only needed for mmap
> > > files on nvdimm. qemu_ram_mmap() has no way to check whether its
> > > parameter 'fd' points to files on nvdimm, except by looking up
> > > sysfs. However, accessing sysfs may be denied by certain SELinux
> > > policies.
> > > 
> > > The missing of MAP_SYNC should not affect the primary functionality of
> > > vNVDIMM when using files on host nvdimm as backend, except the
> > > guarantee of write persistence in case of qemu/host crash.
> > > 
> > > We may check the kernel support of MAP_SYNC and the type of vNVDIMM
> > > backend in some management utility (e.g., libvirt?), and deny to
> > > launch QEMU if MAP_SYNC is not supported while files on host NVDIMM
> > > are in use.
> > 
> > Instead of making libvirt check if MAP_SYNC is supported and just
> > hope it won't fail, it would be safer to let libvirt tell QEMU
> > that MAP_SYNC must never fail.
> 
> For example, add an option "sync" to memory-backend-file, and pass the
> it to qemu_ram_mmap()?

Yes.  It could be a OnOffAuto option, "auto" would make QEMU try
to use MAP_SYNC but not fail if it's unavailable. "on" would
make QEMU ensure MAP_SYNC is really enabled.

> 
> > 
> > However, it looks like kernel 4.14 won't even fail if MAP_SYNC is
> > specified.  How exactly can userspace detect if MAP_SYNC is
> > really supported?
> 
> Use MAP_SYNC with MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE (both introduced in 4.15
> kernel). Linux kernel 4.15 and later validate whether the MAP_SYNC is
> supported. Because MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE is defined equally to
> (MAP_SHARED | MAP_PRIVATE), it always fails on older kernels which do
> not support MAP_SYNC as well.

Nice.

> 
> If we agree to introduce an option "sync" or likelihood, we can do the
> above check in qemu_ram_mmap().

Sounds good to me.  Thanks!

-- 
Eduardo

      reply	other threads:[~2018-01-04 11:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-27  6:56 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] util/mmap-alloc: support MAP_SYNC in qemu_ram_mmap() Haozhong Zhang
2018-01-02 16:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-03  3:16   ` Haozhong Zhang
2018-01-03 13:45     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-04  1:23       ` Haozhong Zhang
2018-01-04 11:57         ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]

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