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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mukawa@igel.co.jp,
	marcandre.lureau@redhat.com, Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	Maxime Coquelin <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>,
	n.nikolaev@virtualopensystems.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] vhost-user graceful connect/disconnect
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 18:53:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180104184236-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171219162151.GA10889@stefanha-x1.localdomain>

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 04:21:51PM +0000, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> Hi,
> Vhost-user implementations assume the slave is already running before
> the master starts.  The slave is required during virtio device
> initialization (e.g. feature bit negotiation) and so it is simplest to
> assume that the master is already available and will respond immediately
> to the VHOST_USER_GET_FEATURES message.
> 
> I have thought about how to let master and slave start in any order.
> Some approaches involve changes to the VIRTIO specification so that
> guest drivers can wait until the vhost-user connection is established.
> 
> We can avoid spec changes using PCI hotplug:
> 
> 1. Introduce a new vhost-user object that manages a connection:
> 
>    -chardev ...
>    -object vhost-user,id=vhost-user0,chardev=chr0
> 
>    Note this object is *not* a NetClient.  It's a resource for managing
>    a vhost-user connection and can be used with any device type (net,
>    scsi, blk, etc).
> 
>    This object tries to establish a connection.  When a connection is
>    established it sends vhost-user protocol messages to fetch
>    information needed for virtio device initialization (like the number
>    of virtqueues supported, features bits, etc).  This information is
>    stashed so that vhost_*() calls later on do not require synchronous
>    communication with the vhost-user slave.

I'm not sure how important or feasible this last part is.

> 2. When the vhost-user connection is established the object emits a QMP
>    event so management software can hotplug the virtio device:
> 
>    VHOST_USER_CONNECTED source=vhost-user0
> 
> 3. The management software hotplugs the virtio device:
> 
>    (qmp) netdev_add vhost-user,id=netdev0,vhost-user=vhost-user0
>    (qmp) device_add virtio-net-pci,netdev=netdev0
> 
> Advantages of this approach:
> 
>  * Does not require spec changes.
>  * Can be implemented without vhost-user.c qemu_chr_fe_read/write_all()
>    calls that hang QEMU until the slave sends data.
>  * Allows slave to set the number of queues, feature bits, etc via the
>    vhost-user socket.  It is not necessary to manually specify feature
>    bitmasks and other slave-specific information on the QEMU
>    command-line.
> 
> I haven't thought through disconnection but I imagine the vhost-user
> object would emit a VHOST_USER_DISCONNECTED event so the management
> software can hot unplug the device.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Stefan

This sounds like an interesting set of ideas to me.
Something to keep in mind for the future.

Thanks!

-- 
MST

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-04 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-19 16:21 [Qemu-devel] vhost-user graceful connect/disconnect Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-20  6:45 ` Fam Zheng
2017-12-20 15:56   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-12-21 11:01 ` Marc-André Lureau
2018-01-04 10:47   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-01-04 11:15     ` Wei Wang
2018-01-05 15:49       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-01-08 11:22         ` Wei Wang
2018-01-08 16:09           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-01-12  6:53             ` Wei Wang
2018-01-12 10:45               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-01-04 16:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2018-01-05 16:14   ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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