From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
Cc: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
qemu-block@nongnu.org, pkrempa@redhat.com, jtc@redhat.com,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 16/21] blockjobs: add waiting status
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:46:16 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180228174616.GJ4855@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <048dacc1-b256-778f-4c8a-e5662cb587e6@redhat.com>
Am 27.02.2018 um 21:50 hat John Snow geschrieben:
>
>
> On 02/27/2018 03:00 PM, Eric Blake wrote:
> > On 02/23/2018 05:51 PM, John Snow wrote:
> >> For jobs that are stuck waiting on others in a transaction, it would
> >> be nice to know that they are no longer "running" in that sense, but
> >> instead are waiting on other jobs in the transaction.
> >>
> >> Jobs that are "waiting" in this sense cannot be meaningfully altered
> >> any longer as they have left their running loop. The only meaningful
> >> user verb for jobs in this state is "cancel," which will cancel the
> >> whole transaction, too.
> >>
> >> Transitions:
> >> Running -> Waiting: Normal transition.
> >> Ready -> Waiting: Normal transition.
> >> Waiting -> Aborting: Transactional cancellation.
> >> Waiting -> Concluded: Normal transition.
> >>
> >> Removed Transitions:
> >> Running -> Concluded: Jobs must go to WAITING first.
> >> Ready -> Concluded: Jobs must go to WAITING fisrt.
> >
> > s/fisrt/first/
> >
> >> +++ b/blockjob.c
> >
> >> @@ -3934,6 +3938,29 @@
> >> 'offset': 'int',
> >> 'speed' : 'int' } }
> >> +##
> >> +# @BLOCK_JOB_WAITING:
> >> +#
> >> +# Emitted when a block job that is part of a transction has stopped
> >> work and is
> >
> > s/transction/transaction/
> >
> >> +# waiting for other jobs in the transaction to reach the same state.
> >
> > Is this event emitted only for 'new-style' transactions (old drivers
> > will never see it, because they don't request new style), or always (old
> > drivers will see, but presumably ignore, it)?
> >
>
> ...! Actually, I meant to remove the WAITING *event* entirely, this is a
> mistake.
>
> It's purely an informational state that clients likely cannot make any
> real use of, because regardless of old or new style, jobs will
> transition automatically to "PENDING."
>
> That said, old or new, the state is visible from query-block-jobs.
It means that the block job isn't working any more, which could possibly
be useful information.
Umm... When mirror transitions into WAITING, it stops working, but
doesn't change the graph yet. Isn't that a problem? Currently it doesn't
cause bugs because mirror doesn't support transactions, but we should
design things so that mirror could become transactionable later on.
I suppose one way to achieve this would be that mirror only transitions
into WAITING when the whole transaction is ready to move forward. In
this case, block-job-complete wouldn't tell mirror any more to actually
complete, but just to signal that the user is ready to have this job
completed.
Essentially this would split READY in two: The first state is when the
job has completed the bulk job and waits for the user, and the second
state is after the user sent block-job-complete. The second state
automatically transitions into WAITING as soon as all other jobs in the
transaction are either WAITING or in the second READY state.
Alternatively, mirror jobs could stay active in the WAITING phase, which
would then become the second READY phase. In this case, the state
machine would stay as it is, just the semantics of WAITING would change.
The result is either way that the WAITING event becomes uninteresting,
so after all I think I agree with completely removing it.
Kevin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-02-28 17:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-02-23 23:51 [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 00/21] blockjobs: add explicit job management John Snow
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 01/21] blockjobs: fix set-speed kick John Snow
2018-02-27 16:32 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 17:18 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 02/21] blockjobs: model single jobs as transactions John Snow
2018-02-27 16:36 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 17:18 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 03/21] blockjobs: add manual property John Snow
2018-02-27 16:39 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 17:18 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 04/21] blockjobs: add status enum John Snow
2018-02-27 16:44 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 17:19 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 05/21] blockjobs: add state transition table John Snow
2018-02-27 16:27 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-27 16:45 ` John Snow
2018-02-27 17:08 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-27 18:58 ` John Snow
2018-02-27 18:58 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 19:06 ` John Snow
2018-02-27 19:22 ` John Snow
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 06/21] iotests: add pause_wait John Snow
2018-02-27 17:19 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-27 19:01 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 07/21] blockjobs: add block_job_verb permission table John Snow
2018-02-27 17:19 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-27 19:25 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 19:38 ` John Snow
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 08/21] blockjobs: add ABORTING state John Snow
2018-02-27 19:34 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-28 14:54 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-28 19:26 ` John Snow
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 09/21] blockjobs: add CONCLUDED state John Snow
2018-02-27 19:38 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 19:44 ` John Snow
2018-02-28 15:37 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-28 19:29 ` John Snow
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 10/21] blockjobs: add NULL state John Snow
2018-02-27 19:41 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-28 15:42 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-28 20:04 ` John Snow
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 11/21] blockjobs: add block_job_dismiss John Snow
2018-02-27 19:44 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-28 15:53 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-28 20:35 ` John Snow
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 12/21] blockjobs: ensure abort is called for cancelled jobs John Snow
2018-02-27 19:49 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 20:43 ` John Snow
2018-02-28 16:05 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 13/21] blockjobs: add commit, abort, clean helpers John Snow
2018-02-27 19:50 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-28 16:07 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 14/21] blockjobs: add block_job_txn_apply function John Snow
2018-02-27 19:52 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-28 16:32 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 15/21] blockjobs: add prepare callback John Snow
2018-02-27 19:56 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 20:45 ` John Snow
2018-02-28 17:04 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-03-07 3:19 ` John Snow
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 16/21] blockjobs: add waiting status John Snow
2018-02-27 20:00 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 20:50 ` John Snow
2018-02-28 17:46 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 17/21] blockjobs: add PENDING status and event John Snow
2018-02-27 20:05 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 20:54 ` John Snow
2018-02-28 17:55 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 18/21] blockjobs: add block-job-finalize John Snow
2018-02-27 20:13 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-28 18:15 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-28 19:14 ` John Snow
2018-03-01 10:01 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-03-01 19:24 ` John Snow
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 19/21] blockjobs: Expose manual property John Snow
2018-02-27 20:16 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 20:42 ` John Snow
2018-02-27 21:57 ` John Snow
2018-02-27 22:27 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-28 18:23 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-28 19:19 ` John Snow
2018-02-28 18:25 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-28 19:20 ` John Snow
2018-02-28 19:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Eric Blake
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 20/21] iotests: test manual job dismissal John Snow
2018-02-27 20:21 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-27 20:41 ` John Snow
2018-02-23 23:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 21/21] blockjobs: add manual_mgmt option to transactions John Snow
2018-02-27 20:24 ` Eric Blake
2018-02-28 18:29 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-28 19:24 ` John Snow
2018-03-01 10:10 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-24 0:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v4 00/21] blockjobs: add explicit job management no-reply
2018-02-24 14:31 ` no-reply
2018-02-27 21:01 ` John Snow
2018-02-28 18:32 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-25 23:25 ` no-reply
2018-02-27 20:58 ` John Snow
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