From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Cc: "Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
kwolf@redhat.com, qemu-block@nongnu.org,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com, stefanha@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] storing machine data in qcow images?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 16:31:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180529153103.GB2575@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180529141411.GZ8988@localhost.localdomain>
* Eduardo Habkost (ehabkost@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 03:03:16PM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > * Richard W.M. Jones (rjones@redhat.com) wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 06:09:56PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > > > The closest to a cross-hypervisor standard is OVF which can store
> > > > metadata about required hardware for a VM. I'm pretty sure it does
> > > > not have the concept of machine types, but maybe it has a way for
> > > > people to define metadata extensions. Since it is just XML at the
> > > > end of the day, even if there was nothing official in OVF, it would
> > > > be possible to just define a custom XML namespace and declare a
> > > > schema for that to follow.
> > >
> > > I have a great deal of experience with the OVF "standard".
> > > TL;DR: DO NOT USE IT.
> >
> > In addition to the detail below, from reading DMTF's OVF spec (DSP0243 v
> > 2.1.1) I see absolutely nothing specifying hardware type.
> > Sure it can specify size of storage, number of ether cards, MAC
> > addresses for them etc - but I don't see any where specify the type of
> > emualted system.
>
> Maybe the VirtualHardwareSection/System/vssd:VirtualSystemType
> element could be used for that. (DSP0243 v2.1.1, line 650).
Ah yes, you're right; they hadn't bothered putting that in any of the
examples. A quick search suggests VMWare use that as 'vmx-10' or
'vmx-12' as a 'hardware faimily'.
> But based on Richard's feedback, I think we shouldn't even try to
> use it.
Right; although if we have a key/value system, then if the key/value
structures we used happened to match up with OVMF if they made sense
then I guess it would make conversions easy.
Dave
> --
> Eduardo
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK
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Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-18 15:30 [Qemu-devel] storing machine data in qcow images? Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-18 16:49 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-18 17:09 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-05-18 17:41 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-19 6:05 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-05-21 18:29 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-21 18:44 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-05-21 19:01 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-23 11:19 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-05-23 12:13 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-23 16:35 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-05-29 14:06 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-05 21:58 ` Michal Suchánek
2018-05-21 20:18 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-05-21 20:33 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-24 9:58 ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2018-05-22 7:35 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-05-22 10:53 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-22 14:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-22 15:02 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-22 15:14 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-23 2:12 ` Fam Zheng
2018-05-23 9:16 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-23 14:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-24 11:17 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-05-29 14:03 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-05-29 14:14 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-29 14:51 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-05-29 15:31 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2018-05-22 8:50 ` Philipp Hahn
2018-05-24 11:32 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-05-24 14:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-24 15:08 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-24 15:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-24 15:20 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-05-24 16:25 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-05-28 18:10 ` Max Reitz
2018-05-28 18:30 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-05-28 18:38 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-28 18:44 ` Max Reitz
2018-05-28 19:09 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-29 9:23 ` Max Reitz
2018-05-29 10:14 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-29 13:16 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-28 21:20 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-05-28 21:25 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-05-29 6:44 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-29 10:14 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-05 9:21 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-05 19:03 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-05 19:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 19:54 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Eric Blake
2018-06-05 19:58 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-06-05 20:09 ` Eric Blake
2018-06-05 20:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 20:46 ` Eric Blake
2018-06-05 21:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-06 8:07 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-06 6:23 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-05 20:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-06 6:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-06 9:44 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-06 13:35 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-06 11:02 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 11:14 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-06 11:26 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 12:00 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-06 12:59 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 14:31 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-06 14:37 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-06 14:42 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-06 14:51 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 15:05 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-06 15:36 ` Eric Blake
2018-06-06 16:11 ` Michal Suchánek
2018-06-06 16:37 ` Eric Blake
2018-06-06 16:32 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-06 16:36 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-07 10:02 ` Andrea Bolognani
2018-06-07 10:22 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-07 11:17 ` Andrea Bolognani
2018-06-07 12:38 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-07 13:49 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-07 14:06 ` Andrea Bolognani
2018-06-07 14:45 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-07 14:56 ` Andrea Bolognani
2018-06-07 15:25 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-07 20:38 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-07 10:32 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-06-07 10:35 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-07 10:36 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-07 10:54 ` Andrea Bolognani
2018-06-07 19:24 ` Laszlo Ersek
2018-06-08 8:21 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-08 8:41 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-08 8:53 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-07 21:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-07 21:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-07 10:51 ` Andrea Bolognani
2018-06-07 19:38 ` Laszlo Ersek
2018-06-06 17:49 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 15:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-06 17:06 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-07 21:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-09 21:34 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-11 2:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-11 8:16 ` Michal Suchánek
2018-06-06 11:42 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-06-06 11:48 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-06 11:53 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 12:03 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-06 13:15 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 12:29 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-06-06 11:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Peter Krempa
2018-06-06 10:32 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michal Suchánek
2018-06-06 11:02 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 11:19 ` Michal Suchánek
2018-06-06 11:32 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 11:37 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-06 11:44 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 12:16 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-06 13:22 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 14:02 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-06 14:33 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 14:41 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-06 14:55 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 15:25 ` Michal Suchánek
2018-06-06 18:02 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 18:33 ` Michal Suchánek
2018-06-06 18:36 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-07 18:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Kashyap Chamarthy
2018-06-06 13:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-06 14:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-06 14:57 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-11 14:10 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-06-06 14:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-06 15:04 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 11:43 ` Michal Suchánek
2018-06-06 11:52 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 12:13 ` Michal Suchánek
2018-06-06 13:14 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 13:45 ` Michal Suchánek
2018-06-06 13:50 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-06 14:14 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-06 14:21 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 14:24 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-06 14:17 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-06 16:10 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-06 18:09 ` Max Reitz
2018-06-11 8:44 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-06-06 11:40 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2018-06-06 14:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-06 14:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-06 14:57 ` Eric Blake
2018-06-06 20:39 ` Eric Blake
2018-06-06 21:01 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-06 15:02 ` Max Reitz
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