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From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, pbonzini@redhat.com, rth@twiddle.net
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 09:54:15 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180604125415.GN7451@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180604042928-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 04:38:22AM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 03, 2018 at 12:27:49PM +0300, Marcel Apfelbaum wrote:
> > Moving to QEMU 3.0 seems like a good opportunity for such a change.
> > 
> > I440FX is really old and does not support modern features like IOMMU.
> > Q35's SATA emulation is faster than pc's IDE, native PCI express hotplug
> > is cleaner than ACPI based one and so on...
> > 
> > Also the libvirt guys added very good support for the Q35 machine (thanks!).
> > 
> > Management software should always specify the machine type and for the
> > current setups, adding '-machine pc' to the command line is not such a
> > big deal.
> > 
> > In time the pc machine will fade out and we will probably stop adding
> > new versions at some point.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>
> 
> For command line users, I think changing the default isn't nice.
> 
> Yes it's easy to add -machine pc but there's no documentation
> that tells you to do so. Add to that shortcuts like -cdrom
> stop working, hotplug needs extra bridges to work, and one
> can see that while management tool users benefit from q35,
> command line users will suffer.
> 
> Can't we add a tag for management without changing the command line
> default? How about "management-default"? "recommended"? "latest"?

We could add new aliases if they are useful for management
software, but we would need a well-defined use case and set of
requirements+expectations for the new alias.

-- 
Eduardo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-06-04 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-03  9:27 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-04  1:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 12:24   ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-04 12:35     ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-04 18:09       ` John Snow
2018-06-04 12:54   ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]
2018-06-04 13:01     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-04 13:26       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-04 17:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 18:30           ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-04 16:48       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 16:56         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-04 18:40           ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-04 21:08             ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-04 18:29   ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-05  7:27     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-05  8:43       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:06         ` [Qemu-devel] libvirt default machine-type guarantees? (was Re: [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine) Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-05 13:12           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:35             ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-05 13:41               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:44               ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Pavel Hrdina
2018-06-05 14:03                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-05 14:07                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 14:36                     ` Pavel Hrdina
2018-06-05 14:14                   ` Pavel Hrdina
2018-06-05 16:16             ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 16:22               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:20         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-05 13:29           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:44             ` Laszlo Ersek
2018-06-05 13:51               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 16:22                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 15:56             ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-05 16:01               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 16:20             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 16:23               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 16:33                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 18:05         ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-14  8:09           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-15  2:50             ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-15  9:03               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-18 17:14                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-18 17:18                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20 17:28                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-21  7:39                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-20 17:33                     ` Peter Maydell
2018-06-21  7:37                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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