From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, pbonzini@redhat.com, rth@twiddle.net
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 09:54:15 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180604125415.GN7451@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180604042928-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 04:38:22AM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 03, 2018 at 12:27:49PM +0300, Marcel Apfelbaum wrote:
> > Moving to QEMU 3.0 seems like a good opportunity for such a change.
> >
> > I440FX is really old and does not support modern features like IOMMU.
> > Q35's SATA emulation is faster than pc's IDE, native PCI express hotplug
> > is cleaner than ACPI based one and so on...
> >
> > Also the libvirt guys added very good support for the Q35 machine (thanks!).
> >
> > Management software should always specify the machine type and for the
> > current setups, adding '-machine pc' to the command line is not such a
> > big deal.
> >
> > In time the pc machine will fade out and we will probably stop adding
> > new versions at some point.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>
>
> For command line users, I think changing the default isn't nice.
>
> Yes it's easy to add -machine pc but there's no documentation
> that tells you to do so. Add to that shortcuts like -cdrom
> stop working, hotplug needs extra bridges to work, and one
> can see that while management tool users benefit from q35,
> command line users will suffer.
>
> Can't we add a tag for management without changing the command line
> default? How about "management-default"? "recommended"? "latest"?
We could add new aliases if they are useful for management
software, but we would need a well-defined use case and set of
requirements+expectations for the new alias.
--
Eduardo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-06-04 12:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-03 9:27 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-04 1:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 12:24 ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-04 12:35 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-04 18:09 ` John Snow
2018-06-04 12:54 ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]
2018-06-04 13:01 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-04 13:26 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-04 17:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 18:30 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-04 16:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 16:56 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-04 18:40 ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-04 21:08 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-04 18:29 ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-05 7:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-05 8:43 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:06 ` [Qemu-devel] libvirt default machine-type guarantees? (was Re: [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine) Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-05 13:12 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:35 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-05 13:41 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Pavel Hrdina
2018-06-05 14:03 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-05 14:07 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 14:36 ` Pavel Hrdina
2018-06-05 14:14 ` Pavel Hrdina
2018-06-05 16:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 16:22 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-05 13:29 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:44 ` Laszlo Ersek
2018-06-05 13:51 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 16:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 15:56 ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-05 16:01 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 16:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 16:23 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 16:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 18:05 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-14 8:09 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-15 2:50 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-15 9:03 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-18 17:14 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-18 17:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20 17:28 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-21 7:39 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-20 17:33 ` Peter Maydell
2018-06-21 7:37 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
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