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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Michal Privoznik <mprivozn@redhat.com>
Cc: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	ldoktor@redhat.com, libvir-list@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	pkrempa@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] [PATCH v6 2/2] vl: fix use of --daemonize with --preconfig
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:17:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180612131708.GG24690@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1282921e-0d38-7bd2-de8b-64d327dd2549@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 03:04:42PM +0200, Michal Privoznik wrote:
> On 06/12/2018 02:42 PM, Igor Mammedov wrote:
> 
> >>>
> >>> Do we really need to make -daemonize and -preconfig work
> >>> together?  libvirt uses -daemonize only for its initial
> >>> capability probing, which shouldn't require -preconfig at all.
> >>>
> >>> Even on that case, I wonder why libvirt doesn't simply create a
> >>> server socket and waits for QEMU to connect instead of using
> >>> -daemonize as a sync point.
> >>>   
> >>
> >> because libvirt views qemu as well behaved daemon. Should anything go
> >> wrong libvirt reads qemu's stderr and reports error to upper layers.
> > We can keep daemonizing flow in QEMU as it's now.
> > But Eduardo's idea about libvirt created socked + letting QEMU connect to it
> > has a merit. It should fix current deadlock issue with as monitor
> > won't be depending on lead exit event.
> 
> Not sure about the benefits. Currently, libvirt spawns qemu, waits for
> monitor to show up (currently, the timeout dynamic depending on some
> black magic involving guest RAM size) and if it does not show up in time
> it kills qemu. The same algorithm must be kept in place even for case
> when libvirt would pass pre-opened socket to qemu in case qemu deadlocks
> before being able to communicate over qmp. The only advantage I see is
> libvirt would not need to label the socket (set uid:gid, selinux, ...).

As mentioned in my other reply, we already do FD passing, and that code
has intentionally got rid of the timeout, because timeouts cause false
failures to launch QEMU. This is a particular problem when using many
disks that are encrypted, since LUKS encryption has a minimum 1 second
delay on opening each disk, so with many disks we're at risk of hitting
the timeout even when QEMU is still starting normally.

I don't see a reason to special case startup with timeouts to deal
with hangs, while ignoring the possibility of hangs after initial
startup.

> On the other hand, since it would be libvirt creating the socket what
> would happen on libvirtd restart?

We're creating a *listener* socket, not a client connection, so on
restart we simply connect again as normal.


Regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-06-12 13:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-05 14:00 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/2] fix -nodefaults and -daemonize regressions caused by --preconfig introduction Igor Mammedov
2018-06-05 14:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/2] cli: Don't run early event loop if no --preconfig was specified Igor Mammedov
2018-06-05 18:12   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-06  7:22     ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-11 17:34       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-05 14:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/2] vl: fix use of --daemonize with --preconfig Igor Mammedov
2018-06-05 15:13   ` Eric Blake
2018-06-05 15:28     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 " Igor Mammedov
2018-06-05 18:30   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-06  8:34     ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-06  8:37     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 " Igor Mammedov
2018-06-06 13:50       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-07 12:00         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 " Igor Mammedov
2018-06-08 13:21           ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-11 13:16             ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-11 19:06               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-11 21:29                 ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-11 22:36                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-12  9:17                     ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Michal Privoznik
2018-06-12 12:42                       ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-12 12:50                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-13 14:17                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-13 14:23                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-13 17:09                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-14 12:32                                 ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-12 13:04                         ` Michal Privoznik
2018-06-12 13:10                           ` Peter Krempa
2018-06-12 13:17                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2018-06-06  8:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/2] fix -nodefaults and -daemonize regressions caused by --preconfig introduction no-reply

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