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From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	Michal Privoznik <mprivozn@redhat.com>,
	ldoktor@redhat.com, libvir-list@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	pkrempa@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] [PATCH v6 2/2] vl: fix use of --daemonize with --preconfig
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:17:30 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180613141730.GR7451@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180612125033.GF24690@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 01:50:33PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 02:42:05PM +0200, Igor Mammedov wrote:
> > We can keep daemonizing flow in QEMU as it's now.
> > But Eduardo's idea about libvirt created socked + letting QEMU connect to it
> > has a merit. It should fix current deadlock issue with as monitor
> > won't be depending on lead exit event.
> 
> NB, libvirt only ever uses --daemonize when probing capabilities, never
> when launching QEMU for a real VM. In the latter case, we now use FD
> passing, so libvirt opens the UNIX domain socket listener, and passes
> this into QEMU. So libvirt knows it can connect to the listener
> immediately and will only ever get a failure if QEMU has exited.

So, what I'm really missing here is: do we have a good reason to
support --daemonize + --preconfig today?

The options I see are:

1) complete daemonization before preconfig main loop
----------------------------------------------------

By "complete daemonization" I mean doing chdir("/"),
stderr/stdout cleanup, chroot, and UID magic before calling
exit(0) on the main QEMU process.

Pros:
* More intuitive

Cons:
* Can break existing initialization code that don't expect
  this to happen.
  (can this be fixed?)
* Can break any preconfig-time QMP commands that rely on opening
  files
  (is it a real problem?)
* Any initialization error conditions that currently rely on
  error_report()+exit() will be very inconvenient to handle
  properly
  (this can be fixed eventually, but it's not trivial)


2) incomplete daemonization before preconfig main loop
------------------------------------------------------

This means calling exit(0) on the main process before doing the
chdir/stderr/etc magic.

Pros:
* Less likely to break initialization code and other QMP commands

Cons:
* Not what's expected from a well-behaved daemon.
  (If we're not daemonizing properly, what's the point of using
  -daemonize at all?)
* More difficult to change behavior later.


3) daemonize only after leaving preconfig state
-----------------------------------------------

AFAICS, this is the current behavior.

Pros:
* Less likely to break init code
* Keeps existing code as is

Cons:
* Less intuitive
* -daemonize becomes useless as synchronization point for monitor
  availability
* Would this be useful for anybody, at all?
* We won't be able to change this behavior later


4) Not supporting -preconfig + -daemonize
-----------------------------------------

Pros:
* Simple to implement.
* Avoids unexpected bugs.
* Saves our time.
* We can change this behavior later.

Cons:
* People might want us to support it eventually.



I believe the only reasonable options are (1) and (4).

-- 
Eduardo

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-13 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-05 14:00 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/2] fix -nodefaults and -daemonize regressions caused by --preconfig introduction Igor Mammedov
2018-06-05 14:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/2] cli: Don't run early event loop if no --preconfig was specified Igor Mammedov
2018-06-05 18:12   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-06  7:22     ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-11 17:34       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-05 14:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/2] vl: fix use of --daemonize with --preconfig Igor Mammedov
2018-06-05 15:13   ` Eric Blake
2018-06-05 15:28     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 " Igor Mammedov
2018-06-05 18:30   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-06  8:34     ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-06  8:37     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 " Igor Mammedov
2018-06-06 13:50       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-07 12:00         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 " Igor Mammedov
2018-06-08 13:21           ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-11 13:16             ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-11 19:06               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-11 21:29                 ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-11 22:36                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-12  9:17                     ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Michal Privoznik
2018-06-12 12:42                       ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-12 12:50                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-13 14:17                           ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]
2018-06-13 14:23                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-13 17:09                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-14 12:32                                 ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-12 13:04                         ` Michal Privoznik
2018-06-12 13:10                           ` Peter Krempa
2018-06-12 13:17                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-06  8:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/2] fix -nodefaults and -daemonize regressions caused by --preconfig introduction no-reply

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