From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43260) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTO71-000186-Gk for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 05:00:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fTO6v-0001Pk-RH for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 05:00:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 09:59:54 +0100 From: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= Message-ID: <20180614085954.GM6355@redhat.com> Reply-To: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= References: <1528879723-24675-1-git-send-email-eric.auger@redhat.com> <1528879723-24675-10-git-send-email-eric.auger@redhat.com> <8bf1bccc-b32a-9982-6123-b644c41a96d3@redhat.com> <33a3fa10-bf1a-45cd-73bd-403cbd8d4792@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 9/9] hw/arm/virt: Add virt-3.0 machine type List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Laszlo Ersek Cc: Auger Eric , eric.auger.pro@gmail.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-arm@nongnu.org, peter.maydell@linaro.org, wei@redhat.com, drjones@redhat.com, ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org, marc.zyngier@arm.com, christoffer.dall@arm.com, zhaoshenglong@huawei.com On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:56:20AM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote: > Hi Eric, > > On 06/14/18 08:27, Auger Eric wrote: > > Hi Laszlo, > > > > On 06/13/2018 11:05 PM, Laszlo Ersek wrote: > >> On 06/13/18 10:48, Eric Auger wrote: > >> > >>> PATCH: merge of ECAM and VCPU extension > >>> - Laszlo reviewed the ECAM changes but I dropped his R-b > >>> due to the squash > >> > >> Was there any particular reason why the previous patch set (with only > >> the ECAM enlargement) couldn't be merged first? To be honest I'm not > >> super happy when my R-b is dropped for non-technical reasons; it seems > >> like wasted work for both of us. > >> > >> Obviously if there's a technical dependency or some other reason why > >> committing the ECAM enlargement in separation would be *wrong*, that's > >> different. Even in that case, wouldn't it be possible to keep the > >> initial virt-3.0 machtype addition as I reviewed it, and then add the > >> rest in an incremental patch? > > > > Sorry about that. My fear was about migration. We would have had 2 virt > > 3.0 machine models not supporting the same features. While bisecting > > migration we could have had the source using the high mem ECAM and the > > destination not supporting it. So I preferred to avoid this trouble by > > merging the 2 features in one patch. However I may have kept your R-b > > restricting its scope to the ECAM stuff. > > to my understanding, it is normal to *gradually* add new properties > during the development cycle, to the new machine type of the upcoming > QEMU release. To my understanding, it's not expected that migration work > between development snapshots built from git. What matters is that two > official releases, specifying the same machine type, enable the user to > migrate a guest between them (in forward direction). > > In every release, so many new features are introduced that it's > impossible to introduce the new machine type with all the compat knobs > added at once. Instead, the new machine type is introduced when the > first feature that requires a compat knob is added to git. All other > such features extend the compat knobs gradually, during the development > cycle. Until the new official release is made (which contains all the > compat knobs for all the new features), the new machine type simply > doesn't exist, as far as the public is concerned, so it cannot partake > in migration either. > > This is my understanding anyway. That is correct - there is ZERO expectation of migration / ABI stability between arbitrary GIT snapshots, only official releases. Prior to the first release including it, a versioned machine type can be changed arbitrarily. Regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|