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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Siwei Liu <loseweigh@gmail.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, "Brandeburg,
	Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH] qemu: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_STANDBY feature bit to virtio_net
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2018 00:47:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180623004404-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADGSJ210d358_uyNK9LLw9gpP5uXK6T0h=9mR9ryG7ySkVqvkA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 12:43:26PM -0700, Siwei Liu wrote:
> > The semantics are that the primary is always used if present in
> > preference to standby.
> OK. If this is the only semantics of what "standby" refers to in
> general, that is fine.
> 
> I just don't want to limit the failover/standby semantics to the
> device model specifics, the "accelerated datapath" thing or whatever.
> I really don't know where the requirements of the "accelerated
> datapath" came from,

It's a way to put it that matches what failover actually provides.

> as the originial problem is migrating vfio
> devices which is in match of QEMU's live migration model.

If you put it this way then it's natural to require that we have a
config with a working vfio device, and that we somehow add virtio for
duration of migration.

> Hyper-V has
> it's limitation to do 1-netdev should not impact how KVM/QEMU should
> be doing it.

That's a linux thing and pretty orthogonal to host/guest interface.

> > Jason said virtio net is sometimes preferable.
> > If that's the case don't make it a standby.
> >
> > More advanced use-cases do exist and e.g. Alexander Duyck
> > suggested using a switch-dev.
> 
> The switchdev case would need a new feature bit, right?
> 
> -Siwei

I think it would need to be a completely new device.

> > failover isn't it though.
> >
> > --
> > MST

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-22 21:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-07 23:09 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qemu: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_STANDBY feature bit to virtio_net Sridhar Samudrala
2018-06-05  1:41 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-06-05  2:06   ` Jason Wang
2018-06-06 18:17     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-06-06 18:52       ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Ján Tomko
2018-06-06 19:39         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-06-06 18:53       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 12:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 20:20     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-06-05 20:37       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 21:16     ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-06-05 21:32       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 22:09         ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-12 11:47           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-14  0:56             ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-06  2:29     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jason Wang
2018-06-12 11:54       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13  0:20         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-06-13  2:41           ` Jason Wang
2018-06-13  2:38         ` Jason Wang
2018-06-13  4:24           ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-06-13  5:40             ` Jason Wang
2018-06-21 18:14               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-22  1:07                 ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Siwei Liu
2018-06-22  2:30                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-22 19:43                     ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-22 21:47                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2018-06-22 22:25                         ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-22 22:28                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-11 17:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-12  1:54   ` Jason Wang
2018-06-12  2:17     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-12  5:02       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-06-12 11:34         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13  0:08           ` [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-06-14  1:02             ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-14 10:02               ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-15  1:57                 ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-15 11:48                   ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-15 17:06                     ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-19 10:54                       ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-19 20:09                         ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-20 14:34                           ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-20 19:59                             ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-19 20:32                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20  9:53                           ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-20 14:11                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20 16:06                               ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-20 19:48                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-21 14:59                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-21 18:20                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-22 15:09                                       ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-22 19:05                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-22 20:21                                           ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-22 21:32                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-22 21:57                                               ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-22 22:33                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-23  0:05                                                   ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-26 15:08                                                     ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-26 17:50                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-27  9:11                                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-25  9:55                                           ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-26  1:46                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-26 11:55                                               ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-26 13:54                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-22 21:43                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-27 10:10                                           ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-22  1:21                                     ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-22  2:25                                       ` Venu Busireddy
2018-06-22  2:32                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-22 20:00                                         ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-22 20:03                                           ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-22 21:29                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-22 21:51                                               ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-22 22:25                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-22 23:40                                                   ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-23  0:17                                                     ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-24  1:45                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-25 17:54                                                       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-06-26  1:50                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-26 15:17                                                           ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-26 15:38                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-26 16:03                                                               ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-26 17:42                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-26 23:38                                                           ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-27  0:29                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-27  6:21                                                               ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-27  6:49                                                                 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-06-27  7:03                                                                   ` Siwei Liu
2018-06-15  2:34                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15  9:32                   ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-15 12:31                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-18 13:27                       ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-14 12:50               ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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