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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
Cc: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Martin Schrodt <martin@schrodt.org>,
	Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>, Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Drop support for 32bit hosts in qemu?
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 14:11:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180627131117.GL30628@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fu18jsav.fsf@secure.laptop>

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 03:02:48PM +0200, Juan Quintela wrote:
> Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:
> > Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com> writes:
> >
> >> On 27.06.2018 08:51, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> Drop support for 32bit hosts in qemu?
> >>
> >> I guess the only way to answer that question reliably is to send a patch
> >> to mark 32-bit hosts as deprecated...
> >>
> >> Anyway, you still have got to fix that problem with -m32 now somehow
> >> since we certainly can not drop 32-bit immediately.
> >
> > We certainly can if we want to.
> >
> > Our formal deprecation policy codifies our compromise between the need
> > to evolve QEMU and the need of its users for stable external interfaces.
> >
> > "Compiles on host X" is also a need, but it's a different one.
> > Evidence: "Supported build platforms" has its own appendix, separate
> > from "Deprecated features".  It's mum on 32-bit hosts.
> >
> > I'm not saying we *should* drop 32-bit hosts immediately.  Only that the
> > feature deprecation policy does not apply.
> >
> > Is QEMU still useful on 32-bit hosts?  Honest question!
> 
> At least require 32bits architectures/compilers able to use 64bit
> atomics.  That leaves us with x86 (depending on compiler).  And there
> haven't been 32bit x86 hosts since .....

....the most recent machine you bought, since the Intel ME is running
on some kind of i486-like CPU behind the back of your main CPU ;-P

Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-27 13:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-25 13:12 [Qemu-devel] [PULL 0/6] Audio 20180625 patches Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-25 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 1/6] audio/hda: create millisecond timers that handle IO Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-26 19:55   ` Max Reitz
2018-06-27  6:51     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-27  7:24       ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-27  7:57         ` [Qemu-devel] Drop support for 32bit hosts in qemu? (was: [PULL 1/6] audio/hda: create millisecond timers that handle IO) Markus Armbruster
2018-06-27  8:09           ` [Qemu-devel] Drop support for 32bit hosts in qemu? Thomas Huth
2018-06-27  8:56             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-27 11:08             ` Alex Bennée
2018-06-27 11:09               ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-27  8:15           ` [Qemu-devel] Drop support for 32bit hosts in qemu? (was: [PULL 1/6] audio/hda: create millisecond timers that handle IO) BALATON Zoltan
2018-06-27  8:52             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-27  9:09               ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-27 13:33                 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2018-06-27 15:41                   ` Laurent Vivier
2018-06-27 18:44                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-27 19:55                       ` Laurent Vivier
2018-06-27 10:49               ` Peter Maydell
2018-06-27 11:09                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-27 13:08                   ` Alex Bennée
2018-06-27 13:09                     ` Alex Bennée
2018-06-27 11:09           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-27 13:03             ` Alex Bennée
2018-06-27 13:38               ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2018-06-27 13:02           ` [Qemu-devel] Drop support for 32bit hosts in qemu? Juan Quintela
2018-06-27 13:11             ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2018-06-27 11:13       ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 1/6] audio/hda: create millisecond timers that handle IO Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-27 13:15         ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-27 12:21       ` Eric Blake
2018-06-29  8:19   ` Peter Maydell
2018-06-29 15:11     ` Eric Blake
2018-06-25 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 2/6] audio/hda: turn some dprintfs into trace points Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-25 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 3/6] audio/hda: tweak timer adjust logic Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-25 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 4/6] audio/hda: detect output buffer overruns Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-25 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 5/6] audio/hda: enable new timer code by default Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-25 13:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 6/6] audio: Convert use of atoi to qemu_strtoi Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-25 15:37 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 0/6] Audio 20180625 patches Peter Maydell

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