From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4] monitor: let cur_mon be per-thread
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 16:03:06 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180719080306.GF4071@xz-mi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87va9bitdp.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 09:20:34AM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 05:38:11PM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> >> Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > After the Out-Of-Band work, the monitor iothread may be accessing the
> >> > cur_mon as well (via monitor_qmp_dispatch_one()). Let's convert the
> >> > cur_mon variable to be a per-thread variable to make sure there won't be
> >> > a race between threads when accessing the variable.
> >>
> >> Hmm... why hasn't the OOB work created such a race already?
> >>
> >> A monitor reads, parses, dispatches and executes commands, formats and
> >> sends replies.
> >>
> >> Before OOB, all of that ran in the main thread. Any access of cur_mon
> >> should therefore be from the main thread. No races.
> >>
> >> OOB moves read, parse, format and send to an I/O thread. Dispatch and
> >> execute remain in the main thread. *Except* for commands executed OOB,
> >> dispatch and execute move to the I/O thread, too.
> >>
> >> Why is this not racy? I guess it relies on careful non-use of cur_mon
> >> in any part that may now execute in the I/O thread. Scary...
> >
> > I think it's because cur_mon is not really used in out-of-band command
> > executions - now we only have a few out-of-band enabled commands, and
> > IIUC none of them is using cur_mon (for example, in
> > qmp_migrate_recover() we don't even call error_report, and the code
> > path is quite straight forward to make sure of that). So IIUC cur_mon
> > variable is still only touched by main thread for now hence we should
> > be safe. However that condition might change in the future when we
> > add more out-of-band capable commands.
> >
> > (not to mention that I don't even know whether there are real users of
> > out-of-band if we haven't yet started to support that for libvirt...)
>
> It's not just the actual OOB commands (there are just two), it's also
> the monitor code to read, parse, format and send.
My understanding is that read, parse, format, send will not touch
cur_mon (it was touched before but some patches in the out-of-band
series should have removed the last users when parsing). So IIUC only
the dispatcher would touch that now. I didn't consider the callers
like net_init_socket() and I'm only considering the monitor code (and
those callers should be only in the main thread too after all).
>
> >> Should this go into 3.0 to reduce the risk of bugs?
> >
> > Yes I think it would be good to have that even for 3.0, since it still
> > can be seen as a bug fix of existing code.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > Regards,
> >
> >> > Note that thread variables are not initialized to a valid value when new
> >> > thread is created.
>
> Confusing. It sounds like @cur_mon's initial value would be
> indeterminate, like an automatic variable's. Not true. Variables with
> thread storage duration are initialized when the thread is created.
> Since @cur_mon's declaration lacks an initializer, it'll be initialized
> to a null pointer. Your sentence is correct when you consider that null
> pointer not a valid value.
Yes that's what I meant. So how about this?
Note that the per-thread @cur_mon variable is not initialized to
point to a valid Monitor struct when a new thread is created (the
default value will be NULL).
Please feel free to tune it up.
>
> >> > However for our case we don't need to set it up,
> >> > since the cur_mon variable is only used in such a pattern:
> >> >
> >> > old_mon = cur_mon;
> >> > cur_mon = xxx;
> >> > (do something, read cur_mon if necessary in the stack)
[1]
> >> > cur_mon = old_mon;
> >> >
> >> > It plays a role as stack variable, so no need to be initialized at all.
> >> > We only need to make sure the variable won't be changed unexpectedly by
> >> > other threads.
>
> Do we need this paragraph? The commit doesn't mess with @cur_mon's
> initial value at all...
I was trying to explain why we don't need to initialize that variable
for each thread. A common idea (at least that's what I have had in
mind) is that when we create a new thread we should possibly inherit
that @cur_mon variable in a copy-on-write fashion for that new thread.
But that's not really necessary for the use case like above (as long
as we don't create thread during [1], and that's what we do).
If you think the patch explains itself better without these lines,
please feel free to drop it.
>
> >> > Reviewed-by: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
> >> > Reviewed-by: Marc-André Lureau <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>
> >> > Reviewed-by: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
> >> > [peterx: touch up commit message a bit]
> >> > Signed-off-by: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Thanks,
--
Peter Xu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-07-19 8:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-20 7:10 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4] monitor: let cur_mon be per-thread Peter Xu
2018-06-20 9:21 ` no-reply
2018-07-18 15:38 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-19 5:01 ` Peter Xu
2018-07-19 7:20 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-19 8:03 ` Peter Xu [this message]
2018-07-19 9:05 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-19 9:46 ` Peter Xu
2018-07-19 12:14 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-19 12:46 ` Peter Xu
2018-07-19 14:56 ` Markus Armbruster
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