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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: "Denis V. Lunev" <den@openvz.org>
Cc: Denis Plotnikov <dplotnikov@virtuozzo.com>,
	mreitz@redhat.com, stefanha@redhat.com, vsementsov@virtuozzo.com,
	famz@redhat.com, qemu-stable@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v0 2/2] block: postpone the coroutine executing if the BDS's is drained
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 10:44:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180913084450.GA5172@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5706f9f2-386f-aca9-4b7d-9fb924c68a7e@openvz.org>

Am 12.09.2018 um 19:03 hat Denis V. Lunev geschrieben:
> On 09/12/2018 04:15 PM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > Am 12.09.2018 um 14:03 hat Denis Plotnikov geschrieben:
> >> On 10.09.2018 15:41, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> >>> Am 29.06.2018 um 14:40 hat Denis Plotnikov geschrieben:
> >>>> Fixes the problem of ide request appearing when the BDS is in
> >>>> the "drained section".
> >>>>
> >>>> Without the patch the request can come and be processed by the main
> >>>> event loop, as the ide requests are processed by the main event loop
> >>>> and the main event loop doesn't stop when its context is in the
> >>>> "drained section".
> >>>> The request execution is postponed until the end of "drained section".
> >>>>
> >>>> The patch doesn't modify ide specific code, as well as any other
> >>>> device code. Instead, it modifies the infrastructure of asynchronous
> >>>> Block Backend requests, in favor of postponing the requests arisen
> >>>> when in "drained section" to remove the possibility of request appearing
> >>>> for all the infrastructure clients.
> >>>>
> >>>> This approach doesn't make vCPU processing the request wait untill
> >>>> the end of request processing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Denis Plotnikov <dplotnikov@virtuozzo.com>
> >>> I generally agree with the idea that requests should be queued during a
> >>> drained section. However, I think there are a few fundamental problems
> >>> with the implementation in this series:
> >>>
> >>> 1) aio_disable_external() is already a layering violation and we'd like
> >>>     to get rid of it (by replacing it with a BlockDevOps callback from
> >>>     BlockBackend to the devices), so adding more functionality there
> >>>     feels like a step in the wrong direction.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Only blk_aio_* are fixed, while we also have synchronous public
> >>>     interfaces (blk_pread/pwrite) as well as coroutine-based ones
> >>>     (blk_co_*). They need to be postponed as well.
> >> Good point! Thanks!
> 
> Should we really prohibit all public interfaces, as they are reused
> inside block level?

We need to fix that. blk_*() should never be called from inside the BDS
layer.

> There is also a problem which is not stated in the clear words yet.
> We have potential deadlock in the code under the following
> conditions, which should be also taken into the consideration.
> 
> <path from the controller>
> bdrv_co_pwritev
>     bdrv_inc_in_flight
>     bdrv_aligned_pwritev
>         notifier_list_with_return_notify
>              backup_before_write_notify
>                  backup_do_cow
>                      backup_cow_with_bounce_buffer
>                          blk_co_preadv
> 
> Here blk_co_preadv() must finish its work before we will release the
> notifier and finish request initiated from the controller and which
> has incremented in-fligh counter.

Yes, before_write notifiers are evil. I've objected to them since the
day they were introduced and I'm surprised it's becoming a problem only
now.

We should probably change the backup job to insert a job node rather
sooner than later. Then it doesn't need to call blk_*() any more.

> Thus we should differentiate requests initiated at the controller
> level and requests initiated in the block layer.  This is sad but
> true.

The difference is supposed to be whether a request goes through a
BlockBackend or not.

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-13  8:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-29 12:40 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v0 0/2] Postponed actions Denis Plotnikov
2018-06-29 12:40 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v0 1/2] async: add infrastructure for postponed actions Denis Plotnikov
2018-06-29 12:40 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v0 2/2] block: postpone the coroutine executing if the BDS's is drained Denis Plotnikov
2018-09-10 12:41   ` Kevin Wolf
2018-09-12 12:03     ` Denis Plotnikov
2018-09-12 13:15       ` Kevin Wolf
2018-09-12 14:53         ` Denis Plotnikov
2018-09-12 15:09           ` Kevin Wolf
2018-09-12 17:03         ` Denis V. Lunev
2018-09-13  8:44           ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2018-07-02  1:47 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v0 0/2] Postponed actions no-reply
2018-07-02 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-07-17 10:31   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-07-16 15:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Denis Plotnikov
2018-07-16 18:59   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " John Snow
2018-07-18  7:53     ` Denis Plotnikov
2018-08-13  8:32     ` Denis Plotnikov
2018-08-13 16:30       ` Kevin Wolf
2018-08-14  7:08         ` Denis Plotnikov
2018-08-20  7:40           ` Denis Plotnikov
2018-08-20  7:42           ` Denis Plotnikov
2018-08-27  7:05           ` Denis Plotnikov
2018-08-27 16:05             ` John Snow
2018-08-28 10:23               ` Denis Plotnikov
2018-09-10 10:11                 ` Denis Plotnikov

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