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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Cc: "Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Caio Carrara" <ccarrara@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Wainer dos Santos Moschetta" <wainersm@redhat.com>,
	Gonglei <arei.gonglei@huawei.com>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Laine Stump" <laine@redhat.com>,
	"Cleber Rosa" <crosa@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] virtio: Provide version-specific variants of virtio PCI devices
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 11:32:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181017112522-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181017151004.GY31060@habkost.net>

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 12:10:04PM -0300, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:22:37AM +0100, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 11:54:35PM -0300, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
> > > This patch adds separate device types for each of those virtio
> > > device flavors:
> > > 
> > > - virtio-*-pci: the existing multi-purpose device types
> > >   - Configurable using `disable-legacy` and `disable-modern`
> > >     properties
> > >   - Legacy driver support is automatically enabled/disabled
> > >     depending on the bus where it is plugged
> > >   - Supports Conventional PCI and PCI Express buses
> > >     (but Conventional PCI is incompatible with
> > >     disable-legacy=off)
> > >   - Changes PCI vendor/device IDs at runtime
> > > - virtio-*-pci-0.9: legacy virtio device
> > >   - Supports Conventional PCI buses only, because
> > >     it has a PIO BAR
> > > - virtio-*-pci-1.0-transitional: virtio-1.0 device supporting legacy drivers
> > >   - Supports Conventional PCI buses only, because
> > >     it has a PIO BAR
> > > - virtio-*-pci-1.0: modern-only
> > >   - Supports both Conventional PCI and PCI Express buses
> > 
> > If new device types are being created, is it time to decouple the VIRTIO
> > PCI transport from the actual VIRTIO device (blk, net, scsi) like we
> > already have with virtio-mmio?
> > 
> >   -device virtio-pci-1.0,id=virtio-pci-0
> >   -device virtio-blk,bus=virtio-pci-0,drive=drive0,serial=mydisk
> > 
> > That way we avoid lots of boilerplate code and an explosion of new
> > device types.
> 
> I don't think that would work.  This would in turn make
> virtio-pci-1.0 a chameleon device that changes PCI ID depending
> on the backend device plugged to it.
> 
> Also, PCI IDs are not the only information contained inside the
> virtio-pci subclasses.  See all the PCI-specific +
> device-type-specific knowledge encoded inside the class_init and
> instance_init functions of each virtio-pci subclass.

I think we need to draw the line somewhere. We can't make new
classes and bother users each time there is a behaviour
change in the device.

But I also think the transport/device split it also an internal virtio
thing, no one who has not read the spec cares about it.

> -- 
> Eduardo

      reply	other threads:[~2018-10-17 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-13  2:54 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] virtio: Provide version-specific variants of virtio PCI devices Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-14 21:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-10-15 18:14   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-16  8:39     ` Cornelia Huck
2018-10-16 13:32       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-16 15:51         ` Cornelia Huck
2018-10-16 17:02     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-10-16 19:12       ` Laine Stump
2018-10-17  5:57         ` [Qemu-devel] No more chameleon devices (was: [PATCH] virtio: Provide version-specific variants of virtio PCI devices) Markus Armbruster
2018-10-17  6:34           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-10-17 11:56             ` [Qemu-devel] No more chameleon devices Markus Armbruster
2018-10-17 15:56           ` [Qemu-devel] No more chameleon devices (was: [PATCH] virtio: Provide version-specific variants of virtio PCI devices) Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-17 16:38             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-10-17 19:19               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-18 14:11             ` [Qemu-devel] No more chameleon devices Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-10-18 14:15               ` Peter Maydell
2018-10-18 14:38                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-10-18 14:41                   ` Peter Maydell
2018-10-18 14:45                     ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-10-18 14:48                       ` Peter Maydell
2018-10-18 15:39                         ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-10-18 18:07                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-17 10:43         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] virtio: Provide version-specific variants of virtio PCI devices Andrea Bolognani
2018-10-17 15:01           ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-17 15:06             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-10-17 15:57               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-18 10:25             ` Andrea Bolognani
2018-10-18 10:27               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-11-14 18:20               ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-15  8:16 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-10-15 10:27   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-10-15 23:03     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-16  6:48       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-10-16 13:39         ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-16 18:42           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-10-17  5:49             ` [Qemu-devel] "no-user" for properties (was: [PATCH] virtio: Provide version-specific variants of virtio PCI devices) Markus Armbruster
2018-10-15  9:45 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] virtio: Provide version-specific variants of virtio PCI devices Cornelia Huck
2018-10-15 23:32   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-17  9:22 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-10-17 15:10   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-10-17 15:32     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]

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