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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-s390x@nongnu.org,
	Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3] s390x/tod: Properly stop the KVM TOD while the guest is not running
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:11:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181130131102.0c9d1275.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181130094957.4121-1-david@redhat.com>

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 10:49:57 +0100
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:

> Just like on other architectures, we should stop the clock while the guest
> is not running. This is already properly done for TCG. Right now, doing an
> offline migration (stop, migrate, cont) can easily trigger stalls in the
> guest.
> 
> Even doing a
>     (hmp) stop
>     ... wait 2 minutes ...
>     (hmp) cont
> will already trigger stalls.
> 
> So whenever the guest stops, backup the KVM TOD. When continuing to run
> the guest, restore the KVM TOD.
> 
> One special case is starting a simple VM: Reading the TOD from KVM to
> stop it right away until the guest is actually started means that the
> time of any simple VM will already differ to the host time. We can
> simply leave the TOD running and the guest won't be able to recognize
> it.
> 
> For migration, we actually want to keep the TOD stopped until really
> starting the guest. To be able to catch most errors, we should however
> try to set the TOD in addition to simply storing it. So we can still
> catch basic migration problems.
> 
> If anything goes wrong while backing up/restoring the TOD, we have to
> ignore it (but print a warning). This is then basically a fallback to
> old behavior (TOD remains running).
> 
> I tested this very basically with an initrd:
>     1. Start a simple VM. Observed that the TOD is kept running. Old
>        behavior.
>     2. Ordinary live migration. Observed that the TOD is temporarily
>        stopped on the destination when setting the new value and
>        correctly started when finally starting the guest.
>     3. Offline live migration. (stop, migrate, cont). Observed that the
>        TOD will be stopped on the source with the "stop" command. On the
>        destination, the TOD is temporarily stopped when setting the new
>        value and correctly started when finally starting the guest via
>        "cont".
>     4. Simple stop/cont correctly stops/starts the TOD. (multiple stops
>        or conts in a row have no effect, so works as expected)
> 
> In the future, we might want to send the guest a special kind of time sync
> interrupt under some conditions, so it can synchronize its tod to the
> host tod. This is interesting for migration scenarios but also when we
> get time sync interrupts ourselves. This however will most probably have
> to be handled in KVM (e.g. when the tods differ too much) and is not
> desired e.g. when debugging the guest. (single stepping should not

I still plan to drop the extra '.' :)

> result in permanent time syncs). I consider something like that an add-on
> on top of this basic "don't break the guest" handling.
> 
> Signed-off-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> ---
> 
> v2 -> v3:
> - use device_class_set_parent_realize() to implement a child realize
>   function

Yes, that looks more idiomatic.

> 
>  hw/s390x/tod-kvm.c     | 102 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>  include/hw/s390x/tod.h |   8 +++-
>  2 files changed, 107 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

Passes my smoke tests. Will queue after I get reviews.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-30 12:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-30  9:49 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3] s390x/tod: Properly stop the KVM TOD while the guest is not running David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 12:11 ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2018-11-30 12:47   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-30 12:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [qemu-s390x] " Christian Borntraeger
2018-11-30 12:49   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-04  8:27 ` [Qemu-devel] " Christian Borntraeger
2018-12-06  9:33   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-06  9:47   ` Cornelia Huck
2018-12-04  8:54 ` Thomas Huth
2018-12-06  9:49 ` Cornelia Huck

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