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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: "Yongji Xie" <elohimes@gmail.com>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Coquelin, Maxime" <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>,
	"Yury Kotov" <yury-kotov@yandex-team.ru>,
	"Евгений Яковлев" <wrfsh@yandex-team.ru>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	zhangyu31@baidu.com, chaiwen@baidu.com, nixun@baidu.com,
	lilin24@baidu.com, "Xie Yongji" <xieyongji@baidu.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 for-4.0 4/7] libvhost-user: Support tracking inflight I/O in shared memory
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 09:59:39 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190117095848-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ed0dc117-89f6-5fd6-a5f6-91f781a6b09e@redhat.com>

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 05:57:29PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> On 2019/1/15 下午10:51, Yongji Xie wrote:
> > > Well, this may work but here're my points:
> > > 
> > > 1) The code want to recover from backed crash by introducing extra space
> > > to store inflight data, but it still depends on the backend to set/get
> > > the inflight state
> > > 
> > > 2) Since the backend could be killed at any time, the backend must have
> > > the ability to recover from the partial inflight state
> > > 
> > > So it looks to me 1) tends to be self-contradictory and 2) tends to be
> > > recursive. The above lines show how tricky could the code looks like.
> > > 
> > > Solving this at vhost-user level through at backend is probably wrong.
> > > It's time to consider the support from virtio itself.
> > > 
> > I agree that supporting this in virtio level may be better. For
> > example, resubmitting inflight I/O once DEVICE_NEEDS_RESET is set in
> > Stefan's proposal. But I still think QEMU should be able to provide
> > this ability too. Supposed that one vhost-user backend need to support
> > multiple VMs. We can't enable reconnect ability until all VMs' guest
> > driver support the new feature. It's limited.
> 
> 
> That's the way virtio evolves.
> 
> 
> >   But if QEMU have the
> > ability to store inflight buffer, the backend could at least have a
> > chance to support this case.
> 
> 
> The problem is, you need a careful designed protocol described somewhere (is
> vhost-user.txt a good place for this?). And this work will be (partial)
> duplicated for the future support from virtio spec itself.
> 
> 
> > Maybe backend could have other way to
> > avoid the tricky code.
> 
> 
> I'm not sure, but it was probably not easy.

I see an implementation in libvhost-user.

Do you see an issue there?


> Thanks
> 
> 
> > 
> > Thanks,

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-17 14:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-09 11:27 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 for-4.0 0/7] vhost-user-blk: Add support for backend reconnecting elohimes
2019-01-09 11:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 for-4.0 1/7] char-socket: Enable "nowait" option on client sockets elohimes
2019-01-10 12:49   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-01-10 13:19     ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-10 13:24       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-01-10 14:08         ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-10 14:11           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-01-10 14:29             ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-10 16:41               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-01-11  7:50                 ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-11  8:32                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-01-11  8:36                     ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-15 15:39                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-01-15 16:53                         ` Yury Kotov
2019-01-15 17:15                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-01-16  5:39                         ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-09 11:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 for-4.0 2/7] vhost-user: Support transferring inflight buffer between qemu and backend elohimes
2019-01-14 22:25   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-01-15  6:46     ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-15 12:54       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-01-15 14:18         ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-18  2:45           ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-09 11:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 for-4.0 3/7] libvhost-user: Introduce vu_queue_map_desc() elohimes
2019-01-09 11:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 for-4.0 4/7] libvhost-user: Support tracking inflight I/O in shared memory elohimes
2019-01-11  3:56   ` Jason Wang
2019-01-11  6:10     ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-15  7:52       ` Jason Wang
2019-01-15 14:51         ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-17  9:57           ` Jason Wang
2019-01-17 14:59             ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2019-01-18  3:57               ` Jason Wang
2019-01-18  3:32             ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-18  3:56               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-01-18  3:59               ` Jason Wang
2019-01-18  4:03                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-01-18  7:01                 ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-18  9:26                   ` Jason Wang
2019-01-19 12:19                     ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-15 15:58         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-01-17 10:01           ` Jason Wang
2019-01-17 15:04             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-01-09 11:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 for-4.0 5/7] vhost-user-blk: Add support to get/set inflight buffer elohimes
2019-01-09 11:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 for-4.0 6/7] vhost-user-blk: Add support to reconnect backend elohimes
2019-01-09 11:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 for-4.0 7/7] contrib/vhost-user-blk: enable inflight I/O tracking elohimes
2019-01-10 10:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 for-4.0 0/7] vhost-user-blk: Add support for backend reconnecting Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-01-10 10:59   ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-11 15:53     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-01-11 17:24       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-01-12  4:50       ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-14 10:22         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-01-14 10:55           ` Yongji Xie
2019-01-16 14:28             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-01-10 10:39 ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-01-10 11:09   ` Yongji Xie

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