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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@mellanox.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"mst@redhat.com" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:24:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190411172402.GA14509@mellanox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190411190215.2163572e.cohuck@redhat.com>

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 07:02:15PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:01:54 +0300
> Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
> > Data center backends use more and more RDMA or RoCE devices and more and
> > more software runs in virtualized environment.
> > There is a need for a standard to enable RDMA/RoCE on Virtual Machines.
> > 
> > Virtio is the optimal solution since is the de-facto para-virtualizaton
> > technology and also because the Virtio specification
> > allows Hardware Vendors to support Virtio protocol natively in order to
> > achieve bare metal performance.
> > 
> > This RFC is an effort to addresses challenges in defining the RDMA/RoCE
> > Virtio Specification and a look forward on possible implementation
> > techniques.
> > 
> > Open issues/Todo list:
> > List is huge, this is only start point of the project.
> > Anyway, here is one example of item in the list:
> > - Multi VirtQ: Every QP has two rings and every CQ has one. This means that
> >   in order to support for example 32K QPs we will need 64K VirtQ. Not sure
> >   that this is reasonable so one option is to have one for all and
> >   multiplex the traffic on it. This is not good approach as by design it
> >   introducing an optional starvation. Another approach would be multi
> >   queues and round-robin (for example) between them.
> > 
> > Expectations from this posting:
> > In general, any comment is welcome, starting from hey, drop this as it is a
> > very bad idea, to yeah, go ahead, we really want it.
> > Idea here is that since it is not a minor effort i first want to know if
> > there is some sort interest in the community for such device.
> 
> My first reaction is: Sounds sensible, but it would be good to have a
> spec for this :)

I'm unclear why you'd want to have a virtio queue for anything other
that some kind of command channel.

I'm not sure a QP or CQ benefits from this??

Jason

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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@mellanox.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: "mst@redhat.com" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:24:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190411172402.GA14509@mellanox.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190411172408.k9a_zMoC1d1B75YEFdO9pw5YEuOqPxqmdAU647jvBSM@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190411190215.2163572e.cohuck@redhat.com>

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 07:02:15PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:01:54 +0300
> Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
> > Data center backends use more and more RDMA or RoCE devices and more and
> > more software runs in virtualized environment.
> > There is a need for a standard to enable RDMA/RoCE on Virtual Machines.
> > 
> > Virtio is the optimal solution since is the de-facto para-virtualizaton
> > technology and also because the Virtio specification
> > allows Hardware Vendors to support Virtio protocol natively in order to
> > achieve bare metal performance.
> > 
> > This RFC is an effort to addresses challenges in defining the RDMA/RoCE
> > Virtio Specification and a look forward on possible implementation
> > techniques.
> > 
> > Open issues/Todo list:
> > List is huge, this is only start point of the project.
> > Anyway, here is one example of item in the list:
> > - Multi VirtQ: Every QP has two rings and every CQ has one. This means that
> >   in order to support for example 32K QPs we will need 64K VirtQ. Not sure
> >   that this is reasonable so one option is to have one for all and
> >   multiplex the traffic on it. This is not good approach as by design it
> >   introducing an optional starvation. Another approach would be multi
> >   queues and round-robin (for example) between them.
> > 
> > Expectations from this posting:
> > In general, any comment is welcome, starting from hey, drop this as it is a
> > very bad idea, to yeah, go ahead, we really want it.
> > Idea here is that since it is not a minor effort i first want to know if
> > there is some sort interest in the community for such device.
> 
> My first reaction is: Sounds sensible, but it would be good to have a
> spec for this :)

I'm unclear why you'd want to have a virtio queue for anything other
that some kind of command channel.

I'm not sure a QP or CQ benefits from this??

Jason


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-11 17:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-11 11:01 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01 ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/3] virtio-net: Move some virtio-net-pci decl to include/hw/virtio Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01   ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 2/3] hw/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma device Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01   ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-19 23:20   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-04-19 23:20     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-04-23  7:59     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-23  7:59       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-11 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 3/3] RDMA/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma driver Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01   ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-13  7:58   ` Yanjun Zhu
2019-04-13  7:58     ` Yanjun Zhu
2019-04-14  5:20     ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-14  5:20       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-16  1:07   ` Bart Van Assche
2019-04-16  1:07     ` Bart Van Assche
2019-04-16  8:56     ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-16  8:56       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA Cornelia Huck
2019-04-11 17:02   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-11 17:24   ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2019-04-11 17:24     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-11 17:34     ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:34       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:40       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-11 17:40         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-15 10:04         ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-15 10:04           ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:41       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:41         ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-12  9:51         ` Devesh Sharma
2019-04-12  9:51           ` Devesh Sharma via Qemu-devel
2019-04-15 10:27           ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-15 10:27             ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-15 10:35   ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-15 10:35     ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-19 11:16     ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-04-19 11:16       ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-04-22  6:00       ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-04-22  6:00         ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-04-30 17:16         ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-30 17:16           ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-22 16:45       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-22 16:45         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-30 17:13         ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-30 17:13           ` Yuval Shaia
2019-05-07 19:43           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-30 12:16       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-30 12:16         ` Yuval Shaia

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