From: Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com> To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> Cc: virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mst@redhat.com, marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, jgg@mellanox.com Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:35:47 +0300 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20190415103546.GA6854@lap1> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20190411190215.2163572e.cohuck@redhat.com> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 07:02:15PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:01:54 +0300 > Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com> wrote: > > > Data center backends use more and more RDMA or RoCE devices and more and > > more software runs in virtualized environment. > > There is a need for a standard to enable RDMA/RoCE on Virtual Machines. > > > > Virtio is the optimal solution since is the de-facto para-virtualizaton > > technology and also because the Virtio specification > > allows Hardware Vendors to support Virtio protocol natively in order to > > achieve bare metal performance. > > > > This RFC is an effort to addresses challenges in defining the RDMA/RoCE > > Virtio Specification and a look forward on possible implementation > > techniques. > > > > Open issues/Todo list: > > List is huge, this is only start point of the project. > > Anyway, here is one example of item in the list: > > - Multi VirtQ: Every QP has two rings and every CQ has one. This means that > > in order to support for example 32K QPs we will need 64K VirtQ. Not sure > > that this is reasonable so one option is to have one for all and > > multiplex the traffic on it. This is not good approach as by design it > > introducing an optional starvation. Another approach would be multi > > queues and round-robin (for example) between them. > > > > Expectations from this posting: > > In general, any comment is welcome, starting from hey, drop this as it is a > > very bad idea, to yeah, go ahead, we really want it. > > Idea here is that since it is not a minor effort i first want to know if > > there is some sort interest in the community for such device. > > My first reaction is: Sounds sensible, but it would be good to have a > spec for this :) > > You'll need a spec if you want this to go forward anyway, so at least a > sketch would be good to answer questions such as how many virtqueues > you use for which purpose, what is actually put on the virtqueues, > whether there are negotiable features, and what the expectations for > the device and the driver are. It also makes it easier to understand > how this is supposed to work in practice. > > If folks agree that this sounds useful, the next step would be to > reserve an id for the device type. Thanks for the tips, will sure do that, it is that first i wanted to make sure there is a use case here. Waiting for any feedback from the community. > > > > > The scope of the implementation is limited to probing the device and doing > > some basic ibverbs commands. Data-path is not yet implemented. So with this > > one can expect only that driver is (partialy) loaded and basic queries and > > resource allocation is done. > > > > One note regarding the patchset. > > I know it is not standard to collaps patches from several repos as i did > > here (qemu and linux) but decided to do it anyway so the whole picture can > > be seen. > > > > patch 1: virtio-net: Move some virtio-net-pci decl to include/hw/virtio > > This is a prelimenary patch just as a hack so i will not need to > > impelement new netdev > > patch 2: hw/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma device > > The implementation of the device > > patch 3: RDMA/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma driver > > The device driver > > >
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From: Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com> To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> Cc: mst@redhat.com, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, jgg@mellanox.com Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:35:47 +0300 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20190415103546.GA6854@lap1> (raw) Message-ID: <20190415103547.2GxNeS6WBzZnT-AEhTs3uXgWHQA8csYrX2Nwkqrdy9o@z> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20190411190215.2163572e.cohuck@redhat.com> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 07:02:15PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:01:54 +0300 > Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com> wrote: > > > Data center backends use more and more RDMA or RoCE devices and more and > > more software runs in virtualized environment. > > There is a need for a standard to enable RDMA/RoCE on Virtual Machines. > > > > Virtio is the optimal solution since is the de-facto para-virtualizaton > > technology and also because the Virtio specification > > allows Hardware Vendors to support Virtio protocol natively in order to > > achieve bare metal performance. > > > > This RFC is an effort to addresses challenges in defining the RDMA/RoCE > > Virtio Specification and a look forward on possible implementation > > techniques. > > > > Open issues/Todo list: > > List is huge, this is only start point of the project. > > Anyway, here is one example of item in the list: > > - Multi VirtQ: Every QP has two rings and every CQ has one. This means that > > in order to support for example 32K QPs we will need 64K VirtQ. Not sure > > that this is reasonable so one option is to have one for all and > > multiplex the traffic on it. This is not good approach as by design it > > introducing an optional starvation. Another approach would be multi > > queues and round-robin (for example) between them. > > > > Expectations from this posting: > > In general, any comment is welcome, starting from hey, drop this as it is a > > very bad idea, to yeah, go ahead, we really want it. > > Idea here is that since it is not a minor effort i first want to know if > > there is some sort interest in the community for such device. > > My first reaction is: Sounds sensible, but it would be good to have a > spec for this :) > > You'll need a spec if you want this to go forward anyway, so at least a > sketch would be good to answer questions such as how many virtqueues > you use for which purpose, what is actually put on the virtqueues, > whether there are negotiable features, and what the expectations for > the device and the driver are. It also makes it easier to understand > how this is supposed to work in practice. > > If folks agree that this sounds useful, the next step would be to > reserve an id for the device type. Thanks for the tips, will sure do that, it is that first i wanted to make sure there is a use case here. Waiting for any feedback from the community. > > > > > The scope of the implementation is limited to probing the device and doing > > some basic ibverbs commands. Data-path is not yet implemented. So with this > > one can expect only that driver is (partialy) loaded and basic queries and > > resource allocation is done. > > > > One note regarding the patchset. > > I know it is not standard to collaps patches from several repos as i did > > here (qemu and linux) but decided to do it anyway so the whole picture can > > be seen. > > > > patch 1: virtio-net: Move some virtio-net-pci decl to include/hw/virtio > > This is a prelimenary patch just as a hack so i will not need to > > impelement new netdev > > patch 2: hw/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma device > > The implementation of the device > > patch 3: RDMA/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma driver > > The device driver > > >
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-04-15 10:36 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2019-04-11 11:01 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA Yuval Shaia 2019-04-11 11:01 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-11 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/3] virtio-net: Move some virtio-net-pci decl to include/hw/virtio Yuval Shaia 2019-04-11 11:01 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-11 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 2/3] hw/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma device Yuval Shaia 2019-04-11 11:01 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-19 23:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin 2019-04-19 23:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin 2019-04-23 7:59 ` Cornelia Huck 2019-04-23 7:59 ` Cornelia Huck 2019-04-11 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 3/3] RDMA/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma driver Yuval Shaia 2019-04-11 11:01 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-13 7:58 ` Yanjun Zhu 2019-04-13 7:58 ` Yanjun Zhu 2019-04-14 5:20 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-14 5:20 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-16 1:07 ` Bart Van Assche 2019-04-16 1:07 ` Bart Van Assche 2019-04-16 8:56 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-16 8:56 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-11 17:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA Cornelia Huck 2019-04-11 17:02 ` Cornelia Huck 2019-04-11 17:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2019-04-11 17:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2019-04-11 17:34 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-11 17:34 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-11 17:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2019-04-11 17:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2019-04-15 10:04 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-15 10:04 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-11 17:41 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-11 17:41 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-12 9:51 ` Devesh Sharma 2019-04-12 9:51 ` Devesh Sharma via Qemu-devel 2019-04-15 10:27 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-15 10:27 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-15 10:35 ` Yuval Shaia [this message] 2019-04-15 10:35 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-19 11:16 ` Hannes Reinecke 2019-04-19 11:16 ` Hannes Reinecke 2019-04-22 6:00 ` Leon Romanovsky 2019-04-22 6:00 ` Leon Romanovsky 2019-04-30 17:16 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-30 17:16 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-22 16:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2019-04-22 16:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2019-04-30 17:13 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-30 17:13 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-05-07 19:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2019-04-30 12:16 ` Yuval Shaia 2019-04-30 12:16 ` Yuval Shaia
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