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From: Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	mst@redhat.com, marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, jgg@mellanox.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:35:47 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190415103546.GA6854@lap1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190411190215.2163572e.cohuck@redhat.com>

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 07:02:15PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:01:54 +0300
> Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
> > Data center backends use more and more RDMA or RoCE devices and more and
> > more software runs in virtualized environment.
> > There is a need for a standard to enable RDMA/RoCE on Virtual Machines.
> > 
> > Virtio is the optimal solution since is the de-facto para-virtualizaton
> > technology and also because the Virtio specification
> > allows Hardware Vendors to support Virtio protocol natively in order to
> > achieve bare metal performance.
> > 
> > This RFC is an effort to addresses challenges in defining the RDMA/RoCE
> > Virtio Specification and a look forward on possible implementation
> > techniques.
> > 
> > Open issues/Todo list:
> > List is huge, this is only start point of the project.
> > Anyway, here is one example of item in the list:
> > - Multi VirtQ: Every QP has two rings and every CQ has one. This means that
> >   in order to support for example 32K QPs we will need 64K VirtQ. Not sure
> >   that this is reasonable so one option is to have one for all and
> >   multiplex the traffic on it. This is not good approach as by design it
> >   introducing an optional starvation. Another approach would be multi
> >   queues and round-robin (for example) between them.
> > 
> > Expectations from this posting:
> > In general, any comment is welcome, starting from hey, drop this as it is a
> > very bad idea, to yeah, go ahead, we really want it.
> > Idea here is that since it is not a minor effort i first want to know if
> > there is some sort interest in the community for such device.
> 
> My first reaction is: Sounds sensible, but it would be good to have a
> spec for this :)
> 
> You'll need a spec if you want this to go forward anyway, so at least a
> sketch would be good to answer questions such as how many virtqueues
> you use for which purpose, what is actually put on the virtqueues,
> whether there are negotiable features, and what the expectations for
> the device and the driver are. It also makes it easier to understand
> how this is supposed to work in practice.
> 
> If folks agree that this sounds useful, the next step would be to
> reserve an id for the device type.

Thanks for the tips, will sure do that, it is that first i wanted to make
sure there is a use case here.

Waiting for any feedback from the community.

> 
> > 
> > The scope of the implementation is limited to probing the device and doing
> > some basic ibverbs commands. Data-path is not yet implemented. So with this
> > one can expect only that driver is (partialy) loaded and basic queries and
> > resource allocation is done.
> > 
> > One note regarding the patchset.
> > I know it is not standard to collaps patches from several repos as i did
> > here (qemu and linux) but decided to do it anyway so the whole picture can
> > be seen.
> > 
> > patch 1: virtio-net: Move some virtio-net-pci decl to include/hw/virtio
> > 	This is a prelimenary patch just as a hack so i will not need to
> > 	impelement new netdev
> > patch 2: hw/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma device
> > 	The implementation of the device
> > patch 3: RDMA/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma driver
> > 	The device driver
> > 
> 

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: mst@redhat.com, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	jgg@mellanox.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:35:47 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190415103546.GA6854@lap1> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190415103547.2GxNeS6WBzZnT-AEhTs3uXgWHQA8csYrX2Nwkqrdy9o@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190411190215.2163572e.cohuck@redhat.com>

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 07:02:15PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:01:54 +0300
> Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
> > Data center backends use more and more RDMA or RoCE devices and more and
> > more software runs in virtualized environment.
> > There is a need for a standard to enable RDMA/RoCE on Virtual Machines.
> > 
> > Virtio is the optimal solution since is the de-facto para-virtualizaton
> > technology and also because the Virtio specification
> > allows Hardware Vendors to support Virtio protocol natively in order to
> > achieve bare metal performance.
> > 
> > This RFC is an effort to addresses challenges in defining the RDMA/RoCE
> > Virtio Specification and a look forward on possible implementation
> > techniques.
> > 
> > Open issues/Todo list:
> > List is huge, this is only start point of the project.
> > Anyway, here is one example of item in the list:
> > - Multi VirtQ: Every QP has two rings and every CQ has one. This means that
> >   in order to support for example 32K QPs we will need 64K VirtQ. Not sure
> >   that this is reasonable so one option is to have one for all and
> >   multiplex the traffic on it. This is not good approach as by design it
> >   introducing an optional starvation. Another approach would be multi
> >   queues and round-robin (for example) between them.
> > 
> > Expectations from this posting:
> > In general, any comment is welcome, starting from hey, drop this as it is a
> > very bad idea, to yeah, go ahead, we really want it.
> > Idea here is that since it is not a minor effort i first want to know if
> > there is some sort interest in the community for such device.
> 
> My first reaction is: Sounds sensible, but it would be good to have a
> spec for this :)
> 
> You'll need a spec if you want this to go forward anyway, so at least a
> sketch would be good to answer questions such as how many virtqueues
> you use for which purpose, what is actually put on the virtqueues,
> whether there are negotiable features, and what the expectations for
> the device and the driver are. It also makes it easier to understand
> how this is supposed to work in practice.
> 
> If folks agree that this sounds useful, the next step would be to
> reserve an id for the device type.

Thanks for the tips, will sure do that, it is that first i wanted to make
sure there is a use case here.

Waiting for any feedback from the community.

> 
> > 
> > The scope of the implementation is limited to probing the device and doing
> > some basic ibverbs commands. Data-path is not yet implemented. So with this
> > one can expect only that driver is (partialy) loaded and basic queries and
> > resource allocation is done.
> > 
> > One note regarding the patchset.
> > I know it is not standard to collaps patches from several repos as i did
> > here (qemu and linux) but decided to do it anyway so the whole picture can
> > be seen.
> > 
> > patch 1: virtio-net: Move some virtio-net-pci decl to include/hw/virtio
> > 	This is a prelimenary patch just as a hack so i will not need to
> > 	impelement new netdev
> > patch 2: hw/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma device
> > 	The implementation of the device
> > patch 3: RDMA/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma driver
> > 	The device driver
> > 
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-15 10:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-11 11:01 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01 ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/3] virtio-net: Move some virtio-net-pci decl to include/hw/virtio Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01   ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 2/3] hw/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma device Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01   ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-19 23:20   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-04-19 23:20     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-04-23  7:59     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-23  7:59       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-11 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 3/3] RDMA/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma driver Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01   ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-13  7:58   ` Yanjun Zhu
2019-04-13  7:58     ` Yanjun Zhu
2019-04-14  5:20     ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-14  5:20       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-16  1:07   ` Bart Van Assche
2019-04-16  1:07     ` Bart Van Assche
2019-04-16  8:56     ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-16  8:56       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA Cornelia Huck
2019-04-11 17:02   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-11 17:24   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-11 17:24     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-11 17:34     ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:34       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:40       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-11 17:40         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-15 10:04         ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-15 10:04           ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:41       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:41         ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-12  9:51         ` Devesh Sharma
2019-04-12  9:51           ` Devesh Sharma via Qemu-devel
2019-04-15 10:27           ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-15 10:27             ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-15 10:35   ` Yuval Shaia [this message]
2019-04-15 10:35     ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-19 11:16     ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-04-19 11:16       ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-04-22  6:00       ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-04-22  6:00         ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-04-30 17:16         ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-30 17:16           ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-22 16:45       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-22 16:45         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-30 17:13         ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-30 17:13           ` Yuval Shaia
2019-05-07 19:43           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-30 12:16       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-30 12:16         ` Yuval Shaia

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