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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com>
Cc: mst@redhat.com, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 16:43:08 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190507194308.GK6201@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190430171350.GA2763@lap1>

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 08:13:54PM +0300, Yuval Shaia wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 01:45:27PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 01:16:06PM +0200, Hannes Reinecke wrote:
> > > On 4/15/19 12:35 PM, Yuval Shaia wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 07:02:15PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:01:54 +0300
> > > > > Yuval Shaia <yuval.shaia@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Data center backends use more and more RDMA or RoCE devices and more and
> > > > > > more software runs in virtualized environment.
> > > > > > There is a need for a standard to enable RDMA/RoCE on Virtual Machines.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Virtio is the optimal solution since is the de-facto para-virtualizaton
> > > > > > technology and also because the Virtio specification
> > > > > > allows Hardware Vendors to support Virtio protocol natively in order to
> > > > > > achieve bare metal performance.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This RFC is an effort to addresses challenges in defining the RDMA/RoCE
> > > > > > Virtio Specification and a look forward on possible implementation
> > > > > > techniques.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Open issues/Todo list:
> > > > > > List is huge, this is only start point of the project.
> > > > > > Anyway, here is one example of item in the list:
> > > > > > - Multi VirtQ: Every QP has two rings and every CQ has one. This means that
> > > > > >    in order to support for example 32K QPs we will need 64K VirtQ. Not sure
> > > > > >    that this is reasonable so one option is to have one for all and
> > > > > >    multiplex the traffic on it. This is not good approach as by design it
> > > > > >    introducing an optional starvation. Another approach would be multi
> > > > > >    queues and round-robin (for example) between them.
> > > > > > 
> > > Typically there will be a one-to-one mapping between QPs and CPUs (on the
> > > guest). 
> > 
> > Er we are really overloading words here.. The typical expectation is
> > that a 'RDMA QP' will have thousands and thousands of instances on a
> > system.
> > 
> > Most likely I think mapping 1:1 a virtio queue to a 'RDMA QP, CQ, SRQ,
> > etc' is a bad idea...
> 
> We have three options, no virtqueue for QP, 1 to 1 or multiplexing. What
> would be your vote on that?
> I think you are for option #1, right? but in this case there is actually no
> use of having a virtio-driver, isn't it?

The virtio driver is supposed to be a standard, like a hardware
standard, for doing the operation.

It doesn't mean that every single element under the driver needs to
use the virtio format QP.

Jason


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-05-07 19:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-11 11:01 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01 ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/3] virtio-net: Move some virtio-net-pci decl to include/hw/virtio Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01   ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 2/3] hw/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma device Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01   ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-19 23:20   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-04-19 23:20     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-04-23  7:59     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-23  7:59       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-11 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 3/3] RDMA/virtio-rdma: VirtIO rdma driver Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 11:01   ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-13  7:58   ` Yanjun Zhu
2019-04-13  7:58     ` Yanjun Zhu
2019-04-14  5:20     ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-14  5:20       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-16  1:07   ` Bart Van Assche
2019-04-16  1:07     ` Bart Van Assche
2019-04-16  8:56     ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-16  8:56       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/3] VirtIO RDMA Cornelia Huck
2019-04-11 17:02   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-11 17:24   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-11 17:24     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-11 17:34     ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:34       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:40       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-11 17:40         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-15 10:04         ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-15 10:04           ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:41       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-11 17:41         ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-12  9:51         ` Devesh Sharma
2019-04-12  9:51           ` Devesh Sharma via Qemu-devel
2019-04-15 10:27           ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-15 10:27             ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-15 10:35   ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-15 10:35     ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-19 11:16     ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-04-19 11:16       ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-04-22  6:00       ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-04-22  6:00         ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-04-30 17:16         ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-30 17:16           ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-22 16:45       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-22 16:45         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-04-30 17:13         ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-30 17:13           ` Yuval Shaia
2019-05-07 19:43           ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2019-04-30 12:16       ` Yuval Shaia
2019-04-30 12:16         ` Yuval Shaia

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