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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>,
	Kashyap Chamarthy <kchamart@redhat.com>,
	Amit Shah <amit@kernel.org>,
	Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Richard W . M . Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/3] VirtIO-RNG: Update default entropy source to `/dev/urandom`
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 12:21:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190510121939-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190510161644.GP7671@redhat.com>

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 05:16:44PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 12:12:41PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 03:42:01PM +0200, Laurent Vivier wrote:
> > > From: Kashyap Chamarthy <kchamart@redhat.com>
> > > 
> > > When QEMU exposes a VirtIO-RNG device to the guest, that device needs a
> > > source of entropy, and that source needs to be "non-blocking", like
> > > `/dev/urandom`.  However, currently QEMU defaults to the problematic
> > > `/dev/random`, which is "blocking" (as in, it waits until sufficient
> > > entropy is available).
> > > 
> > > Why prefer `/dev/urandom` over `/dev/random`?
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > 
> > > The man pages of urandom(4) and random(4) state:
> > > 
> > >     "The /dev/random device is a legacy interface which dates back to a
> > >     time where the cryptographic primitives used in the implementation
> > >     of /dev/urandom were not widely trusted.  It will return random
> > >     bytes only within the estimated number of bits of fresh noise in the
> > >     entropy pool, blocking if necessary.  /dev/random is suitable for
> > >     applications that need high quality randomness, and can afford
> > >     indeterminate delays."
> > > 
> > > Further, the "Usage" section of the said man pages state:
> > > 
> > >     "The /dev/random interface is considered a legacy interface, and
> > >     /dev/urandom is preferred and sufficient in all use cases, with the
> > >     exception of applications which require randomness during early boot
> > >     time; for these applications, getrandom(2) must be used instead,
> > >     because it will block until the entropy pool is initialized.
> > 
> > So how about just using getrandom then?
> 
> The 3rd patch in this series addresses that.

It seems to use qemu_guest_getrandom which in turn
with patch 1 calls /dev/urandom...
Did I miss something?

> 
> Regards,
> Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-10 16:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-10 13:42 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] rng-builtin: add an RNG backend that uses qemu_guest_getrandom() Laurent Vivier
2019-05-10 13:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/3] VirtIO-RNG: Update default entropy source to `/dev/urandom` Laurent Vivier
2019-05-10 16:12   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-10 16:16     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-10 16:21       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2019-05-10 16:25         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-10 16:55           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-10 17:11             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-10 16:18   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-10 13:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/3] rng-builtin: add an RNG backend that uses qemu_guest_getrandom() Laurent Vivier
2019-05-10 13:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 3/3] virtio-rng: change default backend to rng-builtin Laurent Vivier
2019-05-10 16:36   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-13 10:26     ` Laurent Vivier
2019-05-14 14:39       ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-12 18:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] rng-builtin: add an RNG backend that uses qemu_guest_getrandom() Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-13  6:36   ` Laurent Vivier
2019-05-13  8:49     ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2019-05-13 12:13       ` Markus Armbruster

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