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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Collin Walling <walling@linux.ibm.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	mst@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, pasic@linux.ibm.com,
	qemu-s390x@nongnu.org, pbonzini@redhat.com, rth@twiddle.net
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4] s390: diagnose 318 info reset and migration support
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 10:49:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190514104934.6bba9232.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <066c7470-94a3-a922-9a12-1ca42e474c51@de.ibm.com>

On Tue, 14 May 2019 10:37:32 +0200
Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com> wrote:

> On 14.05.19 09:28, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >>>> But that can be tested using the runability information if I am not wrong.  
> >>>
> >>> You mean the cpu level information, right?  
> > 
> > Yes, query-cpu-definition includes for each model runability information
> > via "unavailable-features" (valid under the started QEMU machine).
> >   
> >>>  
> >>>>  
> >>>>> and others that we have today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So yes, I think this would be acceptable.    
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess it is acceptable yes. I doubt anybody uses that many CPUs in
> >>>> production either way. But you never know.  
> >>>
> >>> I think that using that many cpus is a more uncommon setup, but I still
> >>> think that having to wait for actual failure  
> >>
> >> That can happen all the time today. You can easily say z14 in the xml when 
> >> on a zEC12. Only at startup you get the error. The question is really:  
> > 
> > "-smp 248 -cpu host" will no longer work, while e.g. "-smp 248 -cpu z12"
> > will work. Actually, even "-smp 248" will no longer work on affected
> > machines.
> > 
> > That is why wonder if it is better to disable the feature and print a
> > warning. Similar to CMMA, where want want to tolerate when CMMA is not
> > possible in the current environment (huge pages).
> > 
> > "Diag318 will not be enabled because it is not compatible with more than
> > 240 CPUs".
> > 
> > However, I still think that implementing support for more than one SCLP
> > response page is the best solution. Guests will need adaptions for > 240
> > CPUs with Diag318, but who cares? Existing setups will continue to work.
> > 
> > Implementing that SCLP thingy will avoid any warnings and any errors. It
> > just works from the QEMU perspective.
> > 
> > Is implementing this realistic?  
> 
> Yes it is but it will take time. I will try to get this rolling. To make
> progress on the diag318 thing, can we error on startup now and simply
> remove that check when when have implemented a larger sccb? If we would
> now do all kinds of "change the max number games" would be harder to "fix".

So, the idea right now is:

- fail to start if you try to specify a diag318 device and more than
  240 cpus (do we need a knob to turn off the device?)
- in the future, support more than one SCLP response page

I'm getting a bit lost in the discussion; but the above sounds
reasonable to me.


  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-14  8:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-01 22:31 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4] s390: diagnose 318 info reset and migration support Collin Walling
2019-05-01 22:31 ` Collin Walling
2019-05-09  9:58 ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-09 10:05   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-05-09 20:50   ` Collin Walling
2019-05-13  5:56     ` [Qemu-devel] [qemu-s390x] " Thomas Huth
2019-05-13  7:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " David Hildenbrand
2019-05-13  8:03   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-05-13  9:34     ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-13  9:40       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-05-13  9:51         ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-13  9:57           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-05-13 10:55             ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-13 11:34               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-05-13 11:46                 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-14  7:09                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-14  7:28                     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-05-14  8:37                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-14  8:49                         ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2019-05-14  8:53                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-14  8:59                           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-05-14  9:07                             ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-14  9:12                               ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-14  9:10                             ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-14  9:20                               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-05-14  9:23                                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-14  9:25                                   ` [Qemu-devel] [qemu-s390x] " Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-14  9:27                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-05-14  9:30                                       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-16 13:35                                         ` Collin Walling
2019-05-16 14:10                                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-14  8:50                         ` [Qemu-devel] " David Hildenbrand
2019-05-14  8:56                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-14  9:00                             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-14  9:03                               ` David Hildenbrand
2019-05-14  9:05                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-05-14  9:00                             ` David Hildenbrand
2019-05-14  9:04                               ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-05-16 12:42                                 ` Collin Walling

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