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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Cc: pkrempa@redhat.com, berrange@redhat.com, aadam@redhat.com,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, laine@redhat.com,
	Jens Freimann <jfreimann@redhat.com>,
	ailan@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] net/virtio: add failover support
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:04:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190531135059-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190531170154.GB22103@habkost.net>

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 02:01:54PM -0300, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
> > Yes. It's just lots of extremely low level interfaces
> > and all rather pointless.
> > 
> > And down the road extensions like surprise removal support will make it
> > all cleaner and more transparent. Floating things up to libvirt means
> > all these low level details will require more and more hacks.
> 
> Why do you call it pointless?

We'd need APIs to manipulate device visibility to guest, hotplug
controller state and separately manipulate the resources allocated. This
is low level stuff that users really have no idea what to do about.
Exposing such a level of detail to management is imho pointless.
We are better off with a high level API, see below.

> If we want this to work before
> surprise removal is implemented, we need to provide an API that
> works for management software.
>  Don't we want to make this work
> without surprise removal too?

This patchset adds an optional, off by default support for
migrating guests with an assigned network device.
If enabled this requires guest to allow migration.

Of course this can be viewed as a security problem since it allows guest
to block migration. We can't detect a malicious guest reliably imho.
What we can do is report to management when guest allows migration.
Policy such what to do when this does not happen for a while and
what timeout to set would be up to management.

The API in question would be a high level one, something
along the lines of a single "guest allowed migration" event.


-- 
MST


  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-31 18:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-17 12:58 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] add failover feature for assigned network devices Jens Freimann
2019-05-17 12:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/4] migration: allow unplug during migration for failover devices Jens Freimann
2019-05-21  9:33   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-21  9:47     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-23  8:01     ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-23 15:37       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-17 12:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] qdev/qbus: Add hidden device support Jens Freimann
2019-05-21 11:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-17 12:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] net/virtio: add failover support Jens Freimann
2019-05-21  9:45   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-30 14:56     ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-30 17:46       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-30 18:00         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-30 18:09           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-30 18:22             ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-30 23:06               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-31 17:01                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-31 18:04                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2019-05-31 18:42                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-31 18:45                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-31 20:29                       ` Alex Williamson
2019-05-31 21:05                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-31 21:59                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-06-03  8:59                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-31 20:43                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-31 21:03                         ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-06-03  8:06                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-30 19:08             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-30 19:21               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-31  8:23                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-06-05 15:23             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-30 18:17           ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-30 19:09       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-31 21:47       ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-06-03  8:24         ` Jens Freimann
2019-06-03  9:26           ` Jens Freimann
2019-06-03 18:10           ` Laine Stump
2019-06-03 18:46             ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-05 15:20               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-06 15:00               ` Roman Kagan
2019-06-03 19:36           ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-06-04 13:43             ` Jens Freimann
2019-06-04 14:09               ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-06-04 17:06               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-06-04 19:00                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-06-07 14:14                   ` Jens Freimann
2019-06-07 14:32                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-06-07 17:51                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-06-05 14:36               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-05 16:04               ` Laine Stump
2019-06-05 16:19                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-17 12:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/4] vfio/pci: unplug failover primary device before migration Jens Freimann
2019-05-20 22:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] add failover feature for assigned network devices Alex Williamson
2019-05-21  7:21   ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-21 11:37     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-21 18:49       ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-29  0:14         ` si-wei liu
2019-05-29  2:54           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-06-03 18:06             ` Laine Stump
2019-06-03 18:12               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-06-03 18:18                 ` Laine Stump
2019-06-06 21:49                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-29  2:40         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-29  7:48           ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-30 18:12             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-31 15:12               ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-21 14:18     ` Alex Williamson
2019-05-21  8:37 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-21 10:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-21 19:17   ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-21 21:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-06-11 15:42 ` Laine Stump
2019-06-11 15:51   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-06-11 16:12     ` Laine Stump
2019-06-12  9:11   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-12 11:59     ` Jens Freimann
2019-06-12 15:54       ` Laine Stump

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