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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Laine Stump <laine@redhat.com>
Cc: pkrempa@redhat.com, ehabkost@redhat.com, mst@redhat.com,
	aadam@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Jens Freimann <jfreimann@redhat.com>,
	ailan@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] add failover feature for assigned network devices
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 11:11:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190612091123.GF6897@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <646d0bf1-2fbb-1adb-d5d3-3ef3944376b5@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 11:42:54AM -0400, Laine Stump wrote:
> On 5/17/19 8:58 AM, Jens Freimann wrote:
> > This is another attempt at implementing the host side of the
> > net_failover concept
> > (https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/networking/net_failover.html)
> > 
> > Changes since last RFC:
> > - work around circular dependency of commandline options. Just add
> >    failover=on to the virtio-net standby options and reference it from
> >    primary (vfio-pci) device with standby=<id>
> > - add patch 3/4 to allow migration of vfio-pci device when it is part of a
> >    failover pair, still disallow for all other devices
> > - add patch 4/4 to allow unplug of device during migrationm, make an
> >    exception for failover primary devices. I'd like feedback on how to
> >    solve this more elegant. I added a boolean to DeviceState, have it
> >    default to false for all devices except for primary devices.
> > - not tested yet with surprise removal
> > - I don't expect this to go in as it is, still needs more testing but
> >    I'd like to get feedback on above mentioned changes.
> > 
> > The general idea is that we have a pair of devices, a vfio-pci and a
> > emulated device. Before migration the vfio device is unplugged and data
> > flows to the emulated device, on the target side another vfio-pci device
> > is plugged in to take over the data-path. In the guest the net_failover
> > module will pair net devices with the same MAC address.
> > 
> > * In the first patch the infrastructure for hiding the device is added
> >    for the qbus and qdev APIs.
> > 
> > * In the second patch the virtio-net uses the API to defer adding the vfio
> >    device until the VIRTIO_NET_F_STANDBY feature is acked.
> > 
> > Previous discussion:
> >    RFC v1 https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/cover/989098/
> >    RFC v2 https://www.mail-archive.com/qemu-devel@nongnu.org/msg606906.html
> > 
> > To summarize concerns/feedback from previous discussion:
> > 1.- guest OS can reject or worse _delay_ unplug by any amount of time.
> >    Migration might get stuck for unpredictable time with unclear reason.
> >    This approach combines two tricky things, hot/unplug and migration.
> >    -> We can surprise-remove the PCI device and in QEMU we can do all
> >       necessary rollbacks transparent to management software. Will it be
> >       easy, probably not.
> > 2. PCI devices are a precious ressource. The primary device should never
> >    be added to QEMU if it won't be used by guest instead of hiding it in
> >    QEMU.
> >    -> We only hotplug the device when the standby feature bit was
> >       negotiated. We save the device cmdline options until we need it for
> >       qdev_device_add()
> >       Hiding a device can be a useful concept to model. For example a
> >       pci device in a powered-off slot could be marked as hidden until the slot is
> >       powered on (mst).
> > 3. Management layer software should handle this. Open Stack already has
> >    components/code to handle unplug/replug VFIO devices and metadata to
> >    provide to the guest for detecting which devices should be paired.
> >    -> An approach that includes all software from firmware to
> >       higher-level management software wasn't tried in the last years. This is
> >       an attempt to keep it simple and contained in QEMU as much as possible.
> > 4. Hotplugging a device and then making it part of a failover setup is
> >     not possible
> >    -> addressed by extending qdev hotplug functions to check for hidden
> >       attribute, so e.g. device_add can be used to plug a device.
> > 
> > 
> > I have tested this with a mlx5 NIC and was able to migrate the VM with
> > above mentioned workarounds for open problems.
> > 
> > Command line example:
> > 
> > qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 3072 -smp 3 \
> >          -machine q35,kernel-irqchip=split -cpu host   \
> >          -k fr   \
> >          -serial stdio   \
> >          -net none \
> >          -qmp unix:/tmp/qmp.socket,server,nowait \
> >          -monitor telnet:127.0.0.1:5555,server,nowait \
> >          -device pcie-root-port,id=root0,multifunction=on,chassis=0,addr=0xa \
> >          -device pcie-root-port,id=root1,bus=pcie.0,chassis=1 \
> >          -device pcie-root-port,id=root2,bus=pcie.0,chassis=2 \
> >          -netdev tap,script=/root/bin/bridge.sh,downscript=no,id=hostnet1,vhost=on \
> >          -device virtio-net-pci,netdev=hostnet1,id=net1,mac=52:54:00:6f:55:cc,bus=root2,failover=on \
> >          /root/rhel-guest-image-8.0-1781.x86_64.qcow2
> > 
> > Then the primary device can be hotplugged via
> >   (qemu) device_add vfio-pci,host=5e:00.2,id=hostdev0,bus=root1,standby=net1
> 
> 
> I guess this is the commandline on the migration destination, and as far as
> I understand from this example, on the destination we (meaning libvirt or
> higher level management application) must *not* include the assigned device
> on the qemu commandline, but must instead hotplug the device later after the
> guest CPUs have been restarted on the destination.
> 
> So if I'm understanding correctly, the idea is that on the migration source,
> the device may have been hotplugged, or may have been included when qemu was
> originally started. Then qemu automatically handles the unplug of the device
> on the source, but it seems qemu does nothing on the destination, leaving
> that up to libvirt or a higher layer to implement.
> 
> Then in order for this to work, libvirt (or OpenStack or oVirt or whoever)
> needs to understand that the device in the libvirt config (it will still be
> in the libvirt config, since from libvirt's POV it hasn't been unplugged):
> 
> 1) shouldn't be included in the qemu commandline on the destination,

I don't believe that's the case.  The CLI args above are just illustrating
that it is now possible to *optionally* not specify the VFIO device on the
CLI. This is because previous versions of the patchset *always* required
the device on the CLI due to a circular dependancy in the CLI syntax. This
patch series version fixed that limitation, so now the VFIO device can be
cold plugged or hotplugged as desired.

> 2) will almost surely need to be replaced with a different device on the
> destination (since it's almost certain that the destination won't have an
> available device at the same PCI address)

Yes, the management application that triggers the migration will need to
pass in a new XML document to libvirt when starting the migration so that
we use the suitable new device on the target host.

> 3) will probably need to be unbinded from the VF net driver (does this need
> to happen before migration is finished? If we want to lower the probability
> of a failure after we're already committed to the migration, then I think we
> must, but libvirt isn't set up for that in any way).
> 
> 4) will need to be hotplugged after the migration has finished *and* after
> the guest CPUs have been restarted on the destination.

My understanding is that QEMU takes care of this.

> a) there isn't anything in libvirt's XML grammar that allows us to signify a
> device that is "present in the config but shouldn't be included in the
> commandline"

I don't thin we need that.

> b) someone will need to replace the device from the source with an
> equivalent device on the destination in the libvirt XML. There are other
> cases of management modifying the XML during migration (I think), but this
> does point out that putting the "auto-unplug code into qemu isn't turning
> this into a trivial

The mgmt app should pass the new device details in the XML when starting
migration. Shouldn't be a big deal as OpenStack already does that for 
quite a few other parts of the config.

> c) there is nothing in libvirt's migration logic that can cause a device to
> be re-binded to vfio-pci prior to completion of a migration. Unless this is
> added to libvirt (or the re-bind operation is passed off to the management
> application), we will need to live with the possibility that hotplugging the
> device will fail due to failed re-bind *after* we've committed to the
> migration.

IIUC, we should be binding to vfio-pci during the prepare phase of the
migration, since that's when QEMU is started by libvirt on the target.

> d) once the guest CPUs are restarted on the destination, [someone] (libvirt
> or management) needs to hotplug the new device on the destination. (I'm
> guessing that a hotplug can only be done while the guest CPUs are running;
> correct me if this is wrong!)

I don't believe so, since we'll be able to cold plug it during prepare
phase.


Regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-06-12  9:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-17 12:58 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] add failover feature for assigned network devices Jens Freimann
2019-05-17 12:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/4] migration: allow unplug during migration for failover devices Jens Freimann
2019-05-21  9:33   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-21  9:47     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-23  8:01     ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-23 15:37       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-17 12:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] qdev/qbus: Add hidden device support Jens Freimann
2019-05-21 11:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-17 12:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] net/virtio: add failover support Jens Freimann
2019-05-21  9:45   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-30 14:56     ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-30 17:46       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-30 18:00         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-30 18:09           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-30 18:22             ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-30 23:06               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-31 17:01                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-31 18:04                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-31 18:42                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-31 18:45                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-31 20:29                       ` Alex Williamson
2019-05-31 21:05                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-31 21:59                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-06-03  8:59                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-31 20:43                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-31 21:03                         ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-06-03  8:06                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-30 19:08             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-30 19:21               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-31  8:23                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-06-05 15:23             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-30 18:17           ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-30 19:09       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-31 21:47       ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-06-03  8:24         ` Jens Freimann
2019-06-03  9:26           ` Jens Freimann
2019-06-03 18:10           ` Laine Stump
2019-06-03 18:46             ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-05 15:20               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-06 15:00               ` Roman Kagan
2019-06-03 19:36           ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-06-04 13:43             ` Jens Freimann
2019-06-04 14:09               ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-06-04 17:06               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-06-04 19:00                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-06-07 14:14                   ` Jens Freimann
2019-06-07 14:32                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-06-07 17:51                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-06-05 14:36               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-05 16:04               ` Laine Stump
2019-06-05 16:19                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-17 12:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/4] vfio/pci: unplug failover primary device before migration Jens Freimann
2019-05-20 22:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] add failover feature for assigned network devices Alex Williamson
2019-05-21  7:21   ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-21 11:37     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-21 18:49       ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-29  0:14         ` si-wei liu
2019-05-29  2:54           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-06-03 18:06             ` Laine Stump
2019-06-03 18:12               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-06-03 18:18                 ` Laine Stump
2019-06-06 21:49                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-29  2:40         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-29  7:48           ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-30 18:12             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-31 15:12               ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-21 14:18     ` Alex Williamson
2019-05-21  8:37 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-21 10:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-05-21 19:17   ` Jens Freimann
2019-05-21 21:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-06-11 15:42 ` Laine Stump
2019-06-11 15:51   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-06-11 16:12     ` Laine Stump
2019-06-12  9:11   ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2019-06-12 11:59     ` Jens Freimann
2019-06-12 15:54       ` Laine Stump

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