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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Sam Eiderman <shmuel.eiderman@oracle.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, qemu-block@nongnu.org, arbel.moshe@oracle.com,
	seabios@seabios.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com,
	kevin@koconnor.net, liran.alon@oracle.com,
	karl.heubaum@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [QEMU] [PATCH v2 0/8] Add Qemu to SeaBIOS LCHS interface
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:06:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190612130650.xftda65kgnsefyvs@sirius.home.kraxel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190612115939.23825-1-shmuel.eiderman@oracle.com>

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 02:59:31PM +0300, Sam Eiderman wrote:
> v1:
> 
> Non-standard logical geometries break under QEMU.
> 
> A virtual disk which contains an operating system which depends on
> logical geometries (consistent values being reported from BIOS INT13
> AH=08) will most likely break under QEMU/SeaBIOS if it has non-standard
> logical geometries - for example 56 SPT (sectors per track).
> No matter what QEMU will guess - SeaBIOS, for large enough disks - will
> use LBA translation, which will report 63 SPT instead.

--verbose please.

As far I know seabios switches to LBA mode when the disk is simply too
big for LCHS addressing.  So I fail to see which problem is solved by
this.  If your guest needs LCHS, why do you assign a disk which can't
be fully accessed using LCHS addressing?

> In addition we can not enforce SeaBIOS to rely on phyiscal geometries at
> all. A virtio-blk-pci virtual disk with 255 phyiscal heads can not
> report more than 16 physical heads when moved to an IDE controller, the
> ATA spec allows a maximum of 16 heads - this is an artifact of
> virtualization.

Well, not really.  Moving disks from one controller to another when the
OS depends on LHCS addressing never is a good idea.  That already caused
problems in the 90-ies, when moving scsi disks from one scsi host
adapter to another type, *way* before virtualization became a thing.

BTW:  One possible way to figure which LCHS layout a disk uses is to
check the MBR partition table.  With that we (a) don't need a new
interface between qemu and seabios and (b) it is not needed to manually
specify the geometry.

cheers,
  Gerd



  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-06-12 13:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-12 11:59 [Qemu-devel] [QEMU] [PATCH v2 0/8] Add Qemu to SeaBIOS LCHS interface Sam Eiderman
2019-06-12 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU] [PATCH v2 1/8] block: Refactor macros - fix tabbing Sam Eiderman
2019-06-12 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU] [PATCH v2 2/8] block: Support providing LCHS from user Sam Eiderman
2019-06-12 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU] [PATCH v2 3/8] bootdevice: Add interface to gather LCHS Sam Eiderman
2019-06-12 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU] [PATCH v2 4/8] scsi: Propagate unrealize() callback to scsi-hd Sam Eiderman
2019-06-12 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU] [PATCH v2 5/8] bootdevice: Gather LCHS from all relevant devices Sam Eiderman
2019-06-12 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU] [PATCH v2 6/8] bootdevice: Refactor get_boot_devices_list Sam Eiderman
2019-06-12 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU] [PATCH v2 7/8] bootdevice: FW_CFG interface for LCHS values Sam Eiderman
2019-06-17  7:20   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-06-17  7:36     ` Sam Eiderman
2019-06-17  8:38       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-06-17 10:08         ` Sam Eiderman
2019-06-17 14:48       ` Kevin O'Connor
2019-06-17 15:13         ` Sam Eiderman
2019-06-12 11:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [QEMU] [PATCH v2 8/8] hd-geo-test: Add tests for lchs override Sam Eiderman
2019-06-12 12:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] [QEMU] [PATCH v2 0/8] Add Qemu to SeaBIOS LCHS interface no-reply
2019-06-12 13:06 ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2019-06-12 13:30   ` [Qemu-devel] " Sam Eiderman
2019-06-12 19:18     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-06-13  7:41       ` Sam Eiderman
2019-06-13  7:44         ` Sam Eiderman
2019-06-13  9:38         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-06-13 11:45           ` Sam Eiderman
2019-06-14  4:43             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-06-14  9:37               ` Sam Eiderman
2019-06-17  6:50                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-06-17  7:59                   ` Sam Eiderman
2019-06-12 13:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " no-reply

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