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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Roman Kagan <rkagan@virtuozzo.com>,
	Andrey Shinkevich <andrey.shinkevich@virtuozzo.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com,
	berrange@redhat.com, den@openvz.org, vsementsov@virtuozzo.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/7] iotests: exclude killed processes from running under Valgrind
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:51:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190617145124.GJ7397@linux.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190617132043.GE32624@rkaganb.sw.ru>

Am 17.06.2019 um 15:20 hat Roman Kagan geschrieben:
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 02:53:55PM +0200, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > Am 17.06.2019 um 14:18 hat Roman Kagan geschrieben:
> > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 01:15:04PM +0200, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > > Am 11.06.2019 um 20:02 hat Andrey Shinkevich geschrieben:
> > > > > The Valgrind tool fails to manage its termination when QEMU raises the
> > > > > signal SIGKILL. Lets exclude such test cases from running under the
> > > > > Valgrind because there is no sense to check memory issues that way.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Andrey Shinkevich <andrey.shinkevich@virtuozzo.com>
> > > > 
> > > > I don't fully understand the reasoning here. Most interesting memory
> > > > access errors happen before a process terminates. (I'm not talking about
> > > > leaks here, but use-after-free, buffer overflows, uninitialised memory
> > > > etc.)
> > > 
> > > Nothing of the above, and nothing in general, happens in the usermode
> > > process upon SIGKILL delivery.
> > 
> > My point is, the interesting part is what the program does before
> > SIGKILL happens. There is value in reporting memory errors as long as we
> > can, even if the final check doesn't happen because of SIGKILL.
> 
> Agreed in general, but here the testcases that include 'sigraise 9' only
> do simple operations before that which are covered elsewhere too.  So
> the extra effort on making valgrind work with these testcases arguably
> isn't worth the extra value to be gained.

Ok, fair enough.

> > > > However, I do see that running these test cases with -valgrind ends in a
> > > > hang because the valgrind process keeps hanging around as a zombie
> > > > process and the test case doesn't reap it. I'm not exactly sure why that
> > > > is, but it looks more like a problem with the parent process (i.e. the
> > > > bash script).
> > > 
> > > It rather looks like valgrind getting confused about what to do with
> > > raise(SIGKILL) in the multithreaded case.
> > 
> > Well, valgrind can't do anything with SIGKILL, obviously, because it's
> > killed immediately.
> 
> Right, but it can do whatever it wants with raise(SIGKILL).  I haven't
> looked at valgrind sources, but
> 
>   # strace -ff valgind qemu-io -c 'sigraise 9'
> 
> shows SIGKILL neither sent nor received by any thread; it just shows the
> main thread exit and the second thread getting stuck waiting on a futex.

Oh, I didn't see this! So there isn't even a real SIGKILL signal.

> > But maybe the kernel does get confused for some
> > reason. I get the main threads as a zombie, but a second is still
> > running. Sending SIGKILL to the second thread, too, makes the test case
> > complete successfully.
> > 
> > So I guess the main question is why the second thread isn't
> > automatically killed when the main thread receives SIGKILL.
> 
> I don't see any thread receive SIGKILL.  So I tend to think this is
> valgrind's bug/feature.
> 
> Anyway the problem is outside of QEMU, so I think we need to weigh the
> costs of investigating it and implementing a workaround with the
> potential benefit.

I'd suggest to file a bug against valgrind at least. And indeed just
disable valgrind here like this patch does.

Kevin


  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-17 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-11 18:02 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/7] Allow Valgrind checking all QEMU processes Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/7] iotests: allow " Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:44   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-27 15:08     ` Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:45   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/7] iotests: exclude killed processes from running under Valgrind Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:47   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-17 11:57     ` Roman Kagan
2019-06-17 11:15   ` Kevin Wolf
2019-06-17 12:18     ` Roman Kagan
2019-06-17 12:53       ` Kevin Wolf
2019-06-17 13:20         ` Roman Kagan
2019-06-17 14:51           ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2019-06-24 16:55             ` Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 3/7] iotests: Valgrind fails to work with nonexistent directory Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:52   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-17 11:22     ` Kevin Wolf
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 4/7] iotests: extended timeout under Valgrind Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:54   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 5/7] iotests: extend sleeping time " Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:55   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 6/7] iotests: amend QEMU NBD process synchronization Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13  9:59   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-17 12:45     ` Roman Kagan
2019-06-17 12:38   ` Roman Kagan
2019-06-11 18:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 7/7] iotests: new file to suppress Valgrind errors Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-13 10:06   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-24 16:55     ` Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-24 17:09       ` Eric Blake
2019-06-24 17:23         ` Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-17 11:45   ` Kevin Wolf
2019-06-24 16:55     ` Andrey Shinkevich
2019-06-25  8:13       ` Kevin Wolf

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