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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: "Cédric Le Goater" <clg@kaod.org>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	maddy@linux.vnet.ibm.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Balamuruhan S <bala24@linux.ibm.com>,
	anju@linux.vnet.ibm.com, hari@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	pbonzini@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/6] Enhancing Qemu MMIO emulation with scripting interface
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 14:49:23 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190809044923.GO5465@umbus.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9cbb8079-d606-ab69-a5b3-93226888108a@kaod.org>

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On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 10:15:48AM +0200, Cédric Le Goater wrote:
> On 07/08/2019 09:14, Balamuruhan S wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > This is a proposal to extend mmio callbacks in Qemu with scripting interface
> > that is prototyped with python in this implementation. It gives ability to
> > feed runtime data through callbacks without recompiling Qemu in generic way.
> > This patchset adds library that provides APIs for Qemu to talk with python
> > scripts placed in path -module-path and how existing xscom can be extended
> > with python interface infrastructure.
> > 
> > We have also added an hacky emulation for memory region (OCC common area and HOMER)
> > which is shared between core and un-core engine (ideally this should be via
> > sram device) to showcase the effectiveness of having the scripting interface
> > (uncore engine taken for discussion here is powerpc specificed called OCC).
> 
> We should try to merge this part first. It is useful as it is after some
> cleanups.
> 
> > Having scripting interface helps to emulate/test different uncore-core
> > interactions including uncore engine failure or hang. It also helps in feeding
> > randomized data at byte level access. This patchset is primarily to extend mmio
> > callbacks with scripting interface and to demonstrate effectiveness it.
> 
> It is already possible to feed device models with external data using QMP or
> external agents using a chardev backend transport. What are the benefits
> of using the embedded python approach ?  

Yeah, I also think this needs better justification.

In particular what's the case that Python makes this significantly
easier than hacking up experimental interactions with C.  I mean you
already have to understand POWER9 internals to work with this, right,
so I wouldn't expect Python's greater accessibility to be a big
concern here.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-08-09  4:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-07  7:14 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/6] Enhancing Qemu MMIO emulation with scripting interface Balamuruhan S
2019-08-07  7:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/6] utils/python_api: add scripting interface for Qemu with python lib Balamuruhan S
2019-08-07 10:20   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-08-08 10:10     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-08-08 10:33       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-08-08 10:53       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-09  8:46         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-08-12  4:53           ` Balamuruhan S
2019-08-08 10:09   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-08-11  6:39     ` Balamuruhan S
2019-08-08 10:49   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-08 12:45     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-08-09  4:39       ` David Gibson
2019-08-12  4:45       ` Balamuruhan S
2019-08-07  7:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 2/6] hw/ppc/pnv_xscom: extend xscom to use python interface Balamuruhan S
2019-08-08  9:04   ` Cédric Le Goater
2019-08-07  7:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 3/6] hw/ppc/pnv_homer: add homer/occ common area emulation for PowerNV Balamuruhan S
2019-08-07  7:54   ` Cédric Le Goater
2019-08-07 10:07     ` Balamuruhan S
2019-08-08  8:32       ` Cédric Le Goater
2019-08-09  4:44     ` David Gibson
2019-08-11  6:34       ` Balamuruhan S
2019-08-07  7:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 4/6] hw/ppc/pnv: initialize and realize homer/occ common area Balamuruhan S
2019-08-07  7:59   ` Cédric Le Goater
2019-08-07 10:12     ` Balamuruhan S
2019-08-08  8:46       ` Cédric Le Goater
2019-08-09  4:45   ` David Gibson
2019-08-07  7:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 5/6] hw/ppc/pnv_xscom: retrieve homer/occ base address from PBA BARs Balamuruhan S
2019-08-07  8:01   ` Cédric Le Goater
2019-08-07 10:22     ` Balamuruhan S
2019-08-09  4:45   ` David Gibson
2019-08-07  7:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 6/6] hw/ppc/pnv_homer: add python interface support for homer/occ common area Balamuruhan S
2019-08-07 10:27   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-08-11  6:05     ` Balamuruhan S
2019-08-09  4:46   ` David Gibson
2019-08-11  6:19     ` Balamuruhan S
2019-08-07  7:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/6] Enhancing Qemu MMIO emulation with scripting interface no-reply
2019-08-07  8:15 ` Cédric Le Goater
2019-08-07 10:16   ` Balamuruhan S
2019-08-09  4:49   ` David Gibson [this message]
2019-08-12  5:07     ` Balamuruhan S
2019-08-07  8:51 ` no-reply
2019-08-07  9:18 ` no-reply
2019-08-08 10:25 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-08-12  6:03   ` Balamuruhan S

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