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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Paul Clarke <pc@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Aleksandar Markovic <aleksandar.m.mail@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] [PATCH] ppc: Three floating point fixes
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:31:14 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190820073114.GC20890@umbus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1b486ed4-512f-e5b3-bcd7-9385b689b1cb@us.ibm.com>

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On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 12:13:34PM -0500, Paul Clarke wrote:
> On 8/19/19 1:44 AM, Aleksandar Markovic wrote:
> > 19.08.2019. 08.30, "David Gibson" <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> је
> > написао/ла:
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 10:59:01PM +0200, Aleksandar Markovic wrote:
> >>> 18.08.2019. 10.10, "Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org> је
> >>> написао/ла:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8/16/19 11:59 PM, Aleksandar Markovic wrote:
> >>>>>> From: "Paul A. Clarke" <pc@us.ibm.com>
> >>>> ...
> >>>>>>   ISA 3.0B has xscvdpspn leaving its result in word 1 of the target
> >>>>> register,
> >>>>>>   and mffprwz expecting its input to come from word 0 of the source
> >>>>> register.
> >>>>>>   This sequence fails with QEMU, as a shift is required between
> > those
> >>> two
> >>>>>>   instructions.  However, the hardware splats the result to both
> > word 0
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>   word 1 of its output register, so the shift is not necessary.
> >>>>>>   Expect a future revision of the ISA to specify this behavior.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hmmm... Isn't this a gcc bug (using undocumented hardware feature),
> >>> given
> >>>>> everything you said here?
> >>>>
> >>>> The key here is "expect a future revision of the ISA to specify this
> >>> behavior".
> >>>>
> >>>> It's clearly within IBM's purview to adjust the specification to
> > document
> >>> a
> >>>> previously undocumented hardware feature.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> By no means, yes, the key is in ISA documentation. But, the impression
> > that
> >>> full original commit message conveys is that the main reason for change
> > is
> >>> gcc behavior. If we accepted in general that gcc behavior determines
> > QEMU
> >>> behavior, I am afraid we would be on a very slippery slope - therefore I
> >>> think the commit message (and possible code comment) should, in my
> > opinion,
> >>> mention ISA docs as the central reason for change. Paul, is there any
> >>> tentative release date of the new ISA specification?
> >>
> >> It's not really a question of gcc behaviour, it's a question of actual
> >> cpu behaviour versus ISA document.  Which one qemu should follow is
> >> somewhat debatable, but it sounds here like the ISA will be updated to
> >> match the cpu, which weights it heavily in favour of mimicing the
> >> actual cpu.
> >>
> > 
> > This sounds right to me.
> 
> Thanks for the reviews and great discussion.
> 
> While not yet part of a published version of the ISA, I did find the behavior documented in the User's Manuals for the POWER8 and POWER9 processors:
> 
> https://www-355.ibm.com/systems/power/openpower/
> "Public Documents"
> - "POWER9 Processor User's Manual"
> - "POWER8 Processor User's Manual for the SCM"
> 
> POWER9 Processor User's Manual 
> 4. Power Architecture Compliance
> 4.3 Floating-Point Processor (FP, VMX, and VSX)
> 4.3.7 Floating-Point Invalid Forms and Undefined Conditions
> 
> POWER8 Processor User's Manual for the Single-Chip Module
> 3. Power Architecture Compliance
> 3.2 Floating-Point Processor (FP, VMX, and VSX)
> 3.2.9 Floating-Point Invalid Forms and Undefined Conditions
> 
> In a bullet:
> - VSX scalar convert from double-precision to single-precision (xscvdpsp, xscvdpspn).
> VSR[32:63] is set to VSR[0:31].
> 
> I have not confirmed when the new revision of the ISA will be published, but it's on somebody's "to do" list.
> 
> I will respin the patch as 3 independent patches, and include a reference to the above documents for the change under discussion here.  (The other two changes may take a bit more time, because like David, I find the FPU emulation code cryptic.  :-/  )
> 
> These issues were found while running Glibc's test suite for "math",
> and there are still a *LOT* of QEMU-only FAILs, so I may be back
> again with suggested fixes or questions.  :-)

That doesn't greatly surprise me, TCG's ppc target stuff is only so-so
tested, TBH.

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-20  7:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-16 19:27 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] ppc: Three floating point fixes Paul A. Clarke
2019-08-16 22:59 ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-08-17  7:53   ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-08-18  8:10   ` Richard Henderson
2019-08-18 20:59     ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-08-19  6:28       ` David Gibson
2019-08-19  6:44         ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-08-19 17:13           ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Paul Clarke
2019-08-20  7:31             ` David Gibson [this message]
2019-08-20 10:35               ` Peter Maydell
2019-08-22  3:02                 ` David Gibson
2019-08-18  8:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Richard Henderson
2019-08-19  6:30 ` David Gibson

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