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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] error: auto propagated local_err
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 16:50:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190919155045.GS20217@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b5128e58-8b90-233d-6bb1-cc9009852d8d@redhat.com>

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 10:24:20AM -0500, Eric Blake wrote:
> On 9/19/19 9:49 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> 
> >> ALWAYS using MAKE_ERRP_SAFE() on entry to any function that has an Error
> >> **errp parameter is dirt-simple to explain.  It has no performance
> >> penalty if the user passed in a normal error or error_abort (the cost of
> >> an 'if' hidden in the macro is probably negligible compared to
> >> everything else we do), and has no semantic penalty if the user passed
> >> in NULL or error_fatal (we now get the behavior we want with less
> >> boilerplate).
> >>
> >> Having to think 'does this method require me to use MAKE_ERRP_SAFE, or
> >> can I omit it?' does not provide the same simplicity.
> > 
> > The flipside is that MAKE_ERRP_SAFE hides a bunch of logic, so you don't
> > really know what its doing without looking at it, and this is QEMU
> > custom concept so one more thing to learn for new contributors.
> > 
> > While I think it is a nice trick, personally I think we would be better
> > off if we simply used a code pattern which does not require de-referencing
> > 'errp' at all, aside from exceptional cases. IOW, no added macro in 95%
> > of all our methods using Error **errp.
> 
> If 100% of our callsites use the macro, then new contributors will
> quickly learn by observation alone that the macro usage must be
> important on any new function taking Error **errp, whether or not they
> actually read the macro to see what it does.  If only 5% of our
> callsites use the macro, it's harder to argue that a new user will pick
> up on the nuances by observation alone (presumably, our docs would also
> spell it out, but we know that not everyone reads those...).

To get some slightly less made-up stats, I did some searching:

  - 4408  methods with an 'errp' parameter declared

     git grep 'Error \*\*errp'|  wc -l

  - 696 methods with an 'Error *local' declared (what other names
    do we use for this?)

     git grep 'Error \*local' | wc -l

  - 1243 methods with an 'errp' parameter which have void
    return value (fuzzy number - my matching is quite crude)

     git grep 'Error \*\*errp'|  grep -E '(^| )void' | wc -l

  - 11 methods using error_append_hint with a local_err

     git grep append_hint | grep local | wc -l


This suggests to me, that if we used the 'return 0 / return -1' convention
to indicate failure for the methods which currently return void, we could
potentially only have 11 cases where a local error object is genuinely
needed. 

If my numbers are at all accurate, I still believe we're better off
changing the return type and eliminating essentially all use of local
error variables, as void funcs/local error objects appear to be the
minority coding pattern.


> > There are lots of neat things we could do with auto-cleanup functions we
> > I think we need to be wary of hiding too much cleverness behind macros
> > when doing so overall.
> 
> The benefit of getting rid of the 'Error *local_err = NULL; ...
> error_propagate()' boilerplate is worth the cleverness, in my opinion,
> but especially if also accompanied by CI coverage that we abide by our
> new rules.

At least we're both wanting to eliminate the local error + propagation.
The difference is whether we're genuinely eliminating it, or just hiding
it from view via auto-cleanup & macro magic

Regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-09-19 15:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-18 13:02 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] error: auto propagated local_err Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-18 17:10 ` Eric Blake
2019-09-18 17:46   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-18 18:05     ` Eric Blake
2019-09-18 18:32       ` Eric Blake
2019-09-19  6:47         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19 13:29           ` Eric Blake
2019-09-19  9:17   ` Kevin Wolf
2019-09-19  9:47     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19 10:09     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-09-19 10:21       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19 11:55         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-09-19 12:00     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19 13:03       ` Kevin Wolf
2019-09-19 13:17         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19 13:44         ` Eric Blake
2019-09-19 13:40     ` Eric Blake
2019-09-19 14:13       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19 14:26         ` Eric Blake
2019-09-19 14:30         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19 14:44           ` Eric Blake
2019-09-19 14:49             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-09-19 15:24               ` Eric Blake
2019-09-19 15:37                 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19 15:50                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2019-09-19 16:16                   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19 16:51                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-09-20 12:58                   ` Eric Blake
2019-09-19 15:12             ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19 14:34         ` Kevin Wolf
2019-09-19  1:54 ` [Qemu-devel] " no-reply
2019-09-19  7:32 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-19  7:41   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19  7:53     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-19  8:20       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19  8:23         ` David Hildenbrand
2019-09-19  8:59 ` Greg Kurz
2019-09-19  9:28   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19 10:08     ` Greg Kurz
2019-09-19  8:59 ` Max Reitz
2019-09-19  9:14   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19  9:33     ` Max Reitz
2019-09-19 10:03       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-09-19 11:52         ` Max Reitz
2019-09-20 11:46 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy

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