From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=FROM_EXCESS_BASE64, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FEAC4360C for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A643206E0 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:47:17 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 1A643206E0 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=redhat.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Received: from localhost ([::1]:35482 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iDTAx-00008J-Af for qemu-devel@archiver.kernel.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 08:47:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41278) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iDT96-0007DI-EB for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 08:45:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iDT91-0004gx-33 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 08:45:17 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:36390) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iDT90-0004dU-Qi for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 08:45:15 -0400 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx06.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABD3A210B; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (unknown [10.42.17.55]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7FDF5C21A; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:44:59 +0100 From: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= To: Peter Maydell Subject: Re: Debian support lifetime (was Re: [PATCH] docker: move tests from python2 to python3) Message-ID: <20190926124459.GA19660@redhat.com> References: <20190920200049.27216-1-jsnow@redhat.com> <20190923145057.GC9445@dhcp-17-179.bos.redhat.com> <6ac39e69-4982-dc35-d853-fedbb1c12e1a@redhat.com> <20190923190533.GR5035@habkost.net> <20190924073513.GA2106@redhat.com> <20190925200440.GO8144@habkost.net> <20190926115829.GA18782@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.16 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.71]); Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.132.183.28 X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= Cc: Fam Zheng , Kevin Wolf , Eduardo Habkost , Alex =?utf-8?Q?Benn=C3=A9e?= , QEMU Developers , John Snow , Cleber Rosa , Philippe =?utf-8?Q?Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9?= Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 01:18:35PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote: > On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 at 12:58, Daniel P. Berrang=C3=A9 wrote: > > When first wording the lifetimes, I tried to strike a balance between > > limiting what we have to support, while also not negatively impacting > > a large number of QEMU developers or users. Since we had never had > > such support lifetimes declared for QEMU before, I was fairly generou= s, > > hence picking the 2 year overlap for LTS distros (Ubuntu, RHEL and > > SLES). > > > > It is easier to come to a decision when considering a real world tech > > problem related to the lifetime. > > > > The start of this thread was debating Debian / Python support. If we > > fix the doc to put debian under the short life distro category, we'll > > have solved the Python problem IIUC. >=20 > I don't think Debian counts as a distro "with frequent, short-lifetime > releases", though. It is kind of in the middle ground between the short 6 month frequency releases, and the long 3+ year major releases > Stating overall that we don't intend to support distro versions > that the distro themselves doesn't support ought to be sufficient, > shouldn't it? Yeah, that at least addresses the python question. > In general, my view is that if we bump up against any of these > support-lifetime limits then we're being too eager to drop > support for something from QEMU and we should prefer to retain > support for a while longer. I like and think that it's important > that QEMU as a project does not live on the bleeding-edge and > require latest-and-greatest versions of its dependencies to build. Yeah, there's certainly a balance to be hit. If we only rarely have to debate problems with desired min versions vs distros, and users rarely complain that we're dropping stuff too soon, then that's a sign we've got the balance about right. 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