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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH for-5.1 1/8] tests-qemu-opts: Cover has_help_option(), qemu_opt_has_help_opt()
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:00:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200415100024.GA6916@linux.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874ktlomey.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>

Am 14.04.2020 um 22:13 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben:
> Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > Am 14.04.2020 um 15:36 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben:
> >> Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> writes:
> >> > Am 14.04.2020 um 11:10 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben:
> >> >> Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com> writes:
> >> >> > On 4/9/20 10:30 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> >> >> >> +        { "helpme", false, false, false },
> >> >> >> +        { "a,help", true, true, true },
> >> >> >> +        { "a=0,help,b", true, true, true },
> >> >> >> +        { "help,b=1", true, true, false },
> >> >> >> +        { "a,b,,help", false /* BUG */, true, true },
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So which way are you calling the bug?  Without looking at the code but
> >> >> > going off my intuition, I parse this as option 'a' and option
> >> >> > 'b,help'. The latter is not a normal option name because it contains a
> >> >> > ',', but is a valid option value.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I agree that we have a bug, but I'm not yet sure in which direction
> >> >> > the bug lies (should has_help_option be fixed to report true, in which
> >> >> > case the substring ",help" has precedence over ',,' escaping; or
> >> >> > should qemu_opt_has_help_opt be fixed to report false, due to treating
> >> >> > 'b,help' after ',,' escape removal as an invalid option name).  So the
> >> >> > placement of the /* BUG */ comment matters - where you placed it, I'm
> >> >> > presuming that later in the series you change has_help_option to
> >> >> > return true, even though that goes against my intuitive parse.
> >> >> 
> >> >> In addition to the canonical QemuOpts parser opts_do_parse(), we have
> >> >> several more, and of course they all differ from the canonical one for
> >> >> corner cases.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I treat the canonical one as correct, and fix the others by eliminating
> >> >> the extra parsers.
> >> >> 
> >> >> The others are:
> >> >> 
> >> >> * has_help_option()
> >> >> 
> >> >>   Fixed in PATCH 5 by reusing the guts of opts_do_parse().
> >> >> 
> >> >> * is_valid_option_list()
> >> >> 
> >> >>   Fixed in PATCH 8 by not parsing.
> >> >> 
> >> >> * "id" extraction in opts_parse()
> >> >> 
> >> >>   Lazy hack.  Fixed in PATCH 3 by reusing the guts of opts_do_parse().
> >> >> 
> >> >> Back to your question: the value of has_help_option() differs from the
> >> >> value of qemu_opt_has_help_opt().  The latter uses the canonical parser,
> >> >> the former is one of the other parsers.  I therefore judge the latter
> >> >> right and the former wrong.
> >> >
> >> > Shouldn't we also consider what users would reasonably expect?
> >> 
> >> Of course we should consider reasonable user expectations.
> >> 
> >> Grumpy aside: when I do, I commonly run into objections that users
> >> reasonably expect things not to change.
> >
> > Fair point. It's not always easy to tell whether something should be
> > considered a bug in the external interface (and consequently be fixed)
> > or just an idiosyncrasy that people may have get used to (and therefore
> > requires deprecation before improving it).
> >
> > In this specific case, I'm not aware of empty option names actually
> > doing anything useful anywhere, so I think it might be clearer in this
> > case that it's indeed a bug.
> 
> You're right in that backward compatibility is not a convincing argument
> for stuff that has no known productive uses, and is bonkers to boot.
> 
> >> > Getting it parsed as an empty option name (I assume with a default value
> >> > of "on"?) certainly looks like something that would surprise most users
> >> > and, as you can see, even some QEMU developers.
> >> 
> >> My preferred way to address QemuOpts parsing madness is replacing it
> >> wholesale by keyval.c, but that's some time off, I'm afraid.
> >> 
> >> This series merely aims for more method to the same old madness.
> >
> > I understand. Though I think replacing with keyval will be potentially
> > less problematic if QemuOpts already behaved more similar.
> >
> > If I were writing the code, I think I would use existing bugs and
> > inconsistencies as an excuse to make QemuOpts behave more like what
> > keyval can easily handle by declaring whatever is closest to keyval as
> > the correct interpretation.
> 
> Fair enough.
> 
> However,
> 
> (1) is_valid_option_list()'s and opts_do_parse()'s parse of "a,b,,help"
>     are equidistant from keyval_parse()'s:
> 
>     opts_do_parse() splits it into four parts:
> 
>         "a"     (desugared to a=on)
>         "b"     (desugared to b=on)
>         ""      (desugared to =on)
>         "help"  (desugared to help=on)
> 
>     has_help_option() splits it into two:
> 
>         "a"
>         "b,help"
> 
>     keyval_parse() fails:
> 
>         Expected '=' after parameter 'a'
> 
>     If I it implemented boolean sugar, then it would fail at the third
>     comma, just like ",help" fails now:
> 
>         Invalid parameter ''
> 
>     Fails because ",help" does not start with a valid name.
> 
>     Thus, the answer to the question which of the two functions covered
>     by the test are wrong would be "both".

opts_do_parse() can return an error. So maybe what we should do is
rejecting empty option names there?

> (2) This series tries hard not to write QemuOpts parsing code.  It
>     throws away QemuOpts parsing code.

Arguably, an additional error is writing QemuOpts parsing code, but
maybe little enough that it's tolerable?

Kevin



  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-15 10:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-09 15:30 [PATCH for-5.1 0/8] qemu-option: Fix corner cases and clean up Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 15:30 ` [PATCH for-5.1 1/8] tests-qemu-opts: Cover has_help_option(), qemu_opt_has_help_opt() Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 17:50   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-14  9:10     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-04-14 13:13       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-14 13:36         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-04-14 14:29           ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-14 20:13             ` Markus Armbruster
2020-04-15 10:00               ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2020-04-15 14:45                 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 15:30 ` [PATCH for-5.1 2/8] qemu-options: Factor out get_opt_name_value() helper Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 18:01   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-14  9:42     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-04-14 14:05       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-15  7:03         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-04-14 14:05   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-09 15:30 ` [PATCH for-5.1 3/8] qemu-option: Fix sloppy recognition of "id=..." after ", , " Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 18:05   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-14 14:44   ` [PATCH for-5.1 3/8] qemu-option: Fix sloppy recognition of "id=..." after ",," Kevin Wolf
2020-04-09 15:30 ` [PATCH for-5.1 4/8] qemu-option: Avoid has_help_option() in qemu_opts_parse_noisily() Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 18:07   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-14 10:04     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 15:30 ` [PATCH for-5.1 5/8] qemu-option: Fix has_help_option()'s sloppy parsing Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 18:10   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-14 10:16     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-04-14 14:57       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-15  7:48         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 15:30 ` [PATCH for-5.1 6/8] test-qemu-opts: Simplify test_has_help_option() after bug fix Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 18:13   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-14 14:58   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-09 15:30 ` [PATCH for-5.1 7/8] qemu-img: Factor out accumulate_options() helper Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 18:15   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-14 15:00   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-09 15:30 ` [PATCH for-5.1 8/8] qemu-option: Move is_valid_option_list() to qemu-img.c and rewrite Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 19:45   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-14  8:47     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-04-14 14:34       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-04-14 15:10         ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-14 20:14           ` Markus Armbruster
2020-04-09 17:09 ` [PATCH for-5.1 0/8] qemu-option: Fix corner cases and clean up no-reply
2020-04-09 17:44   ` Eric Blake
2020-04-14  8:52     ` Markus Armbruster

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