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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrey Shinkevich <andrey.shinkevich@virtuozzo.com>,
	Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	qemu block <qemu-block@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: backing chain & block status & filters
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:28:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200428112853.GC5789@linux.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20e6c43f-c1a7-57db-58b9-3cb70f0e637f@redhat.com>

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Am 28.04.2020 um 13:08 hat Max Reitz geschrieben:
> On 28.04.20 10:55, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I wanted to resend my "[PATCH 0/4] fix & merge block_status_above and
> > is_allocated_above", and returned to all the inconsistencies about
> > block-status. I keep in mind Max's series about child-access functions,
> > and Andrey's work about using COR filter in block-stream, which depends
> > on Max's series (because, without them COR fitler with file child breaks
> > backing chains).. And, it seems that it's better to discuss some
> > questions before resending.
> > 
> > First, problems about block-status:
> > 
> > 1. We consider ALLOCATED = ZERO | DATA, and documented as follows:
> > 
> >    * BDRV_BLOCK_DATA: allocation for data at offset is tied to this layer
> >    * BDRV_BLOCK_ZERO: offset reads as zero
> >    * BDRV_BLOCK_OFFSET_VALID: an associated offset exists for accessing
> > raw data
> >    * BDRV_BLOCK_ALLOCATED: the content of the block is determined by this
> >    *                       layer rather than any backing, set by block
> > layer
> > 
> > This actually means, that we should always have BDRV_BLOCK_ALLOCATED for
> > formats which doesn't support backing. So, all such format drivers must
> > return ZERO or DATA (or both?), yes?. Seems file-posix does so, but, for
> > example, iscsi - doesn't.
> 
> Hm.  I could imagine that there are formats that have non-zero holes
> (e.g. 0xff or just garbage).  It would be a bit wrong for them to return
> ZERO or DATA then.
> 
> But OTOH we don’t care about such cases, do we?  We need to know whether
> ranges are zero, data, or unallocated.  If they aren’t zero, we only
> care about whether reading from it will return data from this layer or not.
> 
> So I suppose that anything that doesn’t support backing files (or
> filtered children) should always return ZERO and/or DATA.

I'm not sure I agree with the notion that everything should be
BDRV_BLOCK_ALLOCATED at the lowest layer. It's not what it means today
at least. If we want to change this, we will have to check all callers
of bdrv_is_allocated() and friends who might use this to find holes in
the file.

Basically, the way bdrv_is_allocated() works today is that we assume an
implicit zeroed backing layer even for block drivers that don't support
backing files.

Kevin

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-28 11:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-28  8:55 backing chain & block status & filters Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-04-28 11:08 ` Max Reitz
2020-04-28 11:28   ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2020-04-28 15:13     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-04-28 16:18       ` Eric Blake
2020-04-28 16:46         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-04-28 18:37           ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-28 19:44           ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-04-29  9:15             ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-04-29 10:50               ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-04-28 14:51   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-04-30 19:12     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-05-01  3:04       ` Andrey Shinkevich
2020-05-06  5:56         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-05-07 12:58     ` Max Reitz
2020-05-07 19:34       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy

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