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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
Cc: Pedro Principeza <pedro.principeza@canonical.com>,
	ehabkost@redhat.com, Dann Frazier <dann.frazier@canonical.com>,
	Guilherme Piccoli <gpiccoli@canonical.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Christian Ehrhardt <christian.ehrhardt@canonical.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	fw@gpiccoli.net
Subject: Re: ovmf / PCI passthrough impaired due to very limiting PCI64 aperture
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:46:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200617134652.GE2776@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b423f4a4-2552-bdc8-7c9f-41f200aef672@redhat.com>

* Laszlo Ersek (lersek@redhat.com) wrote:
> On 06/16/20 19:14, Guilherme Piccoli wrote:
> > Thanks Gerd, Dave and Eduardo for the prompt responses!
> > 
> > So, I understand that when we use "-host-physical-bits", we are
> > passing the *real* number for the guest, correct? So, in this case we
> > can trust that the guest physbits matches the true host physbits.
> > 
> > What if then we have OVMF relying in the physbits *iff*
> > "-host-phys-bits" is used (which is the default in RH and a possible
> > machine configuration on libvirt XML in Ubuntu), and we have OVMF
> > fallbacks to 36-bit otherwise?
> 
> I've now read the commit message on QEMU commit 258fe08bd341d, and the
> complexity is simply stunning.
> 
> Right now, OVMF calculates the guest physical address space size from
> various range sizes (such as hotplug memory area end, default or
> user-configured PCI64 MMIO aperture), and derives the minimum suitable
> guest-phys address width from that address space size. This width is
> then exposed to the rest of the firmware with the CPU HOB (hand-off
> block), which in turn controls how the GCD (global coherency domain)
> memory space map is sized. Etc.
> 
> If QEMU can provide a *reliable* GPA width, in some info channel (CPUID
> or even fw_cfg), then the above calculation could be reversed in OVMF.
> We could take the width as a given (-> produce the CPU HOB directly),
> plus calculate the *remaining* address space between the GPA space size
> given by the width, and the end of the memory hotplug area end. If the
> "remaining size" were negative, then obviously QEMU would have been
> misconfigured, so we'd halt the boot. Otherwise, the remaining area
> could be used as PCI64 MMIO aperture (PEI memory footprint of DXE page
> tables be darned).
> 
> > Now, regarding the problem "to trust or not" in the guests' physbits,
> > I think it's an orthogonal discussion to some extent. It'd be nice to
> > have that check, and as Eduardo said, prevent migration in such cases.
> > But it's not really preventing OVMF big PCI64 aperture if we only
> > increase the aperture _when  "-host-physical-bits" is used_.
> 
> I don't know what exactly those flags do, but I doubt they are clearly
> visible to OVMF in any particular way.

The firmware should trust whatever it reads from the cpuid and thus gets
told from qemu; if qemu is doing the wrong thing there then that's our
problem and we need to fix it in qemu.

Dave

> Thanks
> Laszlo
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-06-17 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-16 15:16 ovmf / PCI passthrough impaired due to very limiting PCI64 aperture Guilherme G. Piccoli
2020-06-16 16:50 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-06-16 16:57   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-06-16 17:10     ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-06-17  8:17       ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-06-17 16:25         ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-06-17  8:50       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-06-17 10:28         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-06-17 14:11         ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-06-16 17:10     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-06-16 17:16       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-06-16 17:14     ` Guilherme Piccoli
2020-06-17  6:40       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-06-17 13:25         ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-17 13:26         ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-17 13:22       ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-17 13:43         ` Guilherme Piccoli
2020-06-17 15:57           ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-17 16:01             ` Guilherme Piccoli
2020-06-18  7:56               ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-17 13:46         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2020-06-17 15:49           ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-06-17 15:57             ` Guilherme Piccoli
2020-06-17 16:33               ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-06-17 16:40                 ` Guilherme Piccoli
2020-06-18  8:00                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-17 16:04             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-06-17 16:17               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-06-17 16:22                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-06-17 16:41                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-06-17 17:17                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-06-17 17:23                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-06-17 16:28               ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-06-19 16:13               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-06-17 16:14           ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-17 16:43             ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-17 17:02               ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-06-18  8:29                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-06-17  8:16   ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-06-17 10:12     ` Gerd Hoffmann

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