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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] virtio-fs: force virtio 1.x usage
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 06:45:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200630064227-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200630113527.7b27f34f.cohuck@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:35:27AM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 11:45:35 -0400
> "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 05:39:33PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 10:53:23 -0400
> > > "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >   
> > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:27:58PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:  
> > > > > virtio-fs devices are only specified for virtio-1, so it is unclear
> > > > > how a legacy or transitional device should behave.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
> > > > > ---
> > > > > 
> > > > > Forcing off legacy now (after the virtio-fs device has already been
> > > > > available) may have unintended consequences, therefore RFC.
> > > > > 
> > > > > By default, a virtio-pci device uses 'AUTO' for disable_legacy, which
> > > > > will resolve to different values based upon which bus the device has
> > > > > been plugged. Therefore, forcing disable_legacy may result in the same
> > > > > device or a quite different one.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Even though pre-virtio-1 behaviour of virtio-fs devices is simply not
> > > > > specified, toggling disable_legacy will have implications for the BAR
> > > > > layout, IIRC, and therefore a guest might end up getting a different
> > > > > device, even if it always used it with virtio-1 anyway.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Not sure what the best way to solve this problem is. Adding a compat
> > > > > property for disable_legacy=AUTO may be the right thing to do, but I'm
> > > > > not quite clear if there are any further implications here.   
> 
> Hnm, I'm a bit confused where to actually set this property...


Not a property, just some flag that I'd set in the core,
and then teach all transports to take that into account.

> > > > 
> > > > Well I notice that this device is not migrateable.
> > > > So I think that we can just switch it over and be done with it.  
> > > 
> > > Oh, that makes things easier. (I'm wondering if libvirt already
> > > configures this correctly?)
> > >   
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > > Whatever we do here, we should make sure that the ccw incarnation of
> > > > > this device indeed forces virtio-1.    
> > > > 
> > > > I agree. I notice that the API virtio_pci_force_virtio_1 turned out
> > > > to be too fragile. I propose that instead we have a whitelist of
> > > > devices which can be legacy or transitional. Force rest to modern.  
> > > 
> > > Also, there are further complications because the mechanism is per
> > > transport, and therefore easy to miss.
> > > 
> > > bool virtio_legacy_allowed(VirtIODevice *vdev)
> > > {
> > >     switch (vdev->device_id) {
> > >     case <...>:
> > >     <list of legacy-capable devices>
> > >         return true;
> > >     default:
> > >         return false;
> > > }
> > > 
> > > Seems straightforward enough.  
> > 
> > 
> > Agreed. virtio spec has the list.
> 
> Ok, I've been staring at this a bit, and it's a bit messy for other
> reasons.
> 
> First, I noticed that virtio-iommu does not force virtio-1, either; I
> think it should? Eric?
> 
> Then, there's the mechanism using different names for transitional and
> non-transitional devices. Devices that support both usually define both
> names (with disable_legacy and disable_modern set appropriately) and a
> base name (where the properties can be set manually for the desired
> effect). Most virtio-1 only devices set neither the non-transitional
> nor the transitional name and rely on virtio_pci_force_virtio_1() to
> disable legacy support. But there are outliers:
> 
> * this device: it has only a non-transitional name
>   ("vhost-user-fs-pci"), which means we automatically get the correct
>   configuration; in order to define a transitional/legacy device, you
>   would need to use the base name "vhost-user-fs-pci-base" explicitly,
>   and it's unlikely that someone has been doing that.
> * virtio-iommu (which I *think* is a virtio-1 only device): it defines
>   the full set of transitional, non-transitional, and base names.
> 
> How should we proceed?
> * With this patch here, we can fence off the very unlikely possibility
>   of somebody configuring a non-modern virtio-fs device for pci. We
>   probably should do it, but I don't think we need compat handling.
> * For virtio-iommu, we should get an agreement what the desired state
>   is. If it really should be modern only, we need compat handling, as
>   the device had been added in 5.0. (And we need to figure out how to
>   apply that compat handling.)


Well I know it's not really used on x86 yet, so no problem there.

Which machines are actually affected?


> * What is the preferred way to express 'this virtio-pci device is
>   modern only'? Using virtio_pci_force_virtio_1()? Setting the
>   non-transitional name to the obvious name? Both?
> * We probably still want to have a 'central authority' for whether a
>   device is virtio-1 only or not, so all transports can refer to it.
> 
> Thoughts?


I still think that for the above the best approach is a whitelist
of legacy virtio IDs.

> > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > > ---
> > > > >  hw/virtio/vhost-user-fs-pci.c | 1 +
> > > > >  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
> > > > > 
> > > > > diff --git a/hw/virtio/vhost-user-fs-pci.c b/hw/virtio/vhost-user-fs-pci.c
> > > > > index e11c889d82b3..244205edf765 100644
> > > > > --- a/hw/virtio/vhost-user-fs-pci.c
> > > > > +++ b/hw/virtio/vhost-user-fs-pci.c
> > > > > @@ -44,6 +44,7 @@ static void vhost_user_fs_pci_realize(VirtIOPCIProxy *vpci_dev, Error **errp)
> > > > >          vpci_dev->nvectors = dev->vdev.conf.num_request_queues + 2;
> > > > >      }
> > > > >  
> > > > > +    virtio_pci_force_virtio_1(vpci_dev);
> > > > >      qdev_realize(vdev, BUS(&vpci_dev->bus), errp);
> > > > >  }
> > > > >  
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > 2.25.4    
> > > >   
> > 



  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-30 10:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-29 10:27 [PATCH RFC] virtio-fs: force virtio 1.x usage Cornelia Huck
2020-06-29 14:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-29 15:39   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-06-29 15:45     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-30  9:35       ` Cornelia Huck
2020-06-30 10:45         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2020-06-30 11:30           ` Cornelia Huck
2020-06-30 13:02             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-07-01 13:58               ` Cornelia Huck
2020-07-02 10:24                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-29 17:05   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-06-30 12:10 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-06-30 12:25   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-06-30 13:04     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-07-01 16:19       ` Cornelia Huck
2020-07-02 10:16         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-07-02 10:45           ` Cornelia Huck
2020-07-02 11:22             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-07-02 11:55               ` Cornelia Huck
2020-07-02 13:22                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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