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From: Sergio Lopez <slp@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Dave Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"Oleinik, Alexander" <alxndr@bu.edu>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: Why QEMU should move from C to Rust (clickbait alert ;))
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 13:51:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200806115148.7lz32dro645a3wv6@mhamilton> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJSP0QWF8g7r5VqU_PRbskWZU3ahCq+eobR8GexUcPrAiYoCPQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 11:24:13AM +0100, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
<snip>
> Conclusion
> ---------------
> Most security bugs in QEMU today are C programming bugs. Switching to
> a safer programming language will significantly reduce security bugs
> in QEMU. Rust is now mature and proven enough to use as the language
> for device emulation code. Thanks to vhost-user and vfio-user using
> Rust for device emulation does not require a big conversion of QEMU
> code, it can simply be done in a separate program. This way attack
> surfaces can be written in Rust to make them less susceptible to
> security bugs going forward.
> 

Having worked on Rust implementations for vhost-user-fs and
vhost-user-blk, I'm 100% sold on this idea.

That said, there are a couple things that I think may help getting
more people into implementing vhost-user devices in Rust.

 1. Having a reference implementation for a simple device somewhere
 close or inside the QEMU source tree. I'd say vhost-user-blk is a
 clear candidate, given that a naive implementation for raw files
 without any I/O optimization is quite easy to read and understand.

 2. Integrating the ability to start-up vhost-user daemons from QEMU,
 in an easy and portable way. I know we can always rely on daemons
 like libvirt to do this for us, but I think it'd be nicer to be able
 to define a vhost-user device from the command line and have QEMU
 execute it with the proper parameters (BTW, Cloud-Hypervisor already
 does that). This would probably require some kind of configuration
 file, to be able to define which binary provides each vhost-user
 device personality, but could also be a way for "sanctioning"
 daemons (through the configuration defaults), and to have them adhere
 to a standardized command line format.

Thanks,
Sergio.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-08-06 11:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-06 10:24 Why QEMU should move from C to Rust (clickbait alert ;)) Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-08-06 11:08 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-06 13:39   ` Alex Bennée
2020-08-07  9:28     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-08-07  9:44   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-08-06 11:51 ` Sergio Lopez [this message]
2020-08-06 12:01   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-06 13:38     ` Sergio Lopez
2020-08-06 13:43       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-07  9:27       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-08-07  9:45         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-08-07  9:39   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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2020-08-21 20:18 Alex Carter
2020-08-27  8:08 ` Sergio Lopez

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